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Unread 08-05-2007, 06:33 PM
 
Location: Texas
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Twange, I am so sorry. Y'all have a lot on your plate, and more than your share! How horrible that Ford would cancel the retirees' insurance!!! You know, American companies used to take care of their employees like family; now, you're just a number (and a liability, sigh). I sure hope your wife's situation improves or, at least, stabilizes. Having to worry about health insurance doesn't help one's condition, either!

I should add that I wrote to the governor's office pleading for referrals, help, anything, when my COBRA insurance was two months from expiring. And I must say that they did respond to me promptly and assigned me an Ombudsman, who was a kind and caring soul. But the bottom line was that I didn't qualify for anything and would just have to wait for Medicare; maybe throw myself on the mercy of a teaching hospital.

I wish you all of the best and hope everything works out!
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Unread 08-05-2007, 07:17 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Originally Posted by Biscuits View Post
Really?
Sorry I didn't make it clear,
I should have said that the way I think it should be when it comes to taxes is:
"You get what you paid for"
But sadly, that's not the way it is.

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Originally Posted by Biscuits View Post
Kindly help me understand how this applies to AMTRAK or the USPS and the US taxpayer.
When I say that government doesn't need to make a profit
I was referring to "the negative side" of capitalism

An example of this is health insurance companies (actually, any insurance company)
they make millions and millions of dollars every year and still they don't lower they rates.
The government doesn't have to make a profit because it is not a private business, so the goverment could offer much lower rates.

About universal health care:

This is an issue that I support.
I would be more than happy if the government covered "regular check-ups"

The other day I went to the hospital because my son had a huge bite on the stomach, I took him to the Emergency room because it was Saturday night.
The doctor said that it wasn't anything bad and just give him some penicillin.
It took only 5 minutes for him to say that and thank God know I have a good job and health insurance because I had to pay $100 for that.

Now,
can you imagine a family with little kids (especially kids) that had an illness, something that would take a doctor 5-10 minutes to find out what it is and maybe keep them dying because he saw it early.
can you imagine a family saying: "I'm not taking my kids to the doctor to find out what that is because we don't have insurance or money to pay for it"
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Unread 08-05-2007, 07:25 PM
 
Location: Northern California
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Originally Posted by Danilo-11 View Post
Sorry I didn't make it clear,
I should have said that the way I think it should be when it comes to taxes is:
"You get what you paid for"
But sadly, that's not the way it is.


When I say that government doesn't need to make a profit
I was referring to "the negative side" of capitalism

An example of this is health insurance companies (actually, any insurance company)
they make millions and millions of dollars every year and still they don't lower they rates.
The government doesn't have to make a profit because it is not a private business, so the goverment could offer much lower rates.

About universal health care:

This is an issue that I support.
I would be more than happy if the government covered "regular check-ups"

The other day I went to the hospital because my son had a huge bite on the stomach, I took him to the Emergency room because it was Saturday night.
The doctor said that it wasn't anything bad and just give him some penicillin.
It took only 5 minutes for him to say that and thank God know I have a good job and health insurance because I had to pay $100 for that.

Now,
can you imagine a family with little kids (especially kids) that had an illness, something that would take a doctor 5-10 minutes to find out what it is and maybe keep them dying because he saw it early.
can you imagine a family saying: "I'm not taking my kids to the doctor to find out what that is because we don't have insurance or money to pay for it"
We have personally been in this exact situation...where we struggled with going to the doctor because of cost. Not just for my kids...but also for my husband. In fact, we have forgone procedures because of cost. Even so, I feel capitalism while not perfect is the best way to go. One of the reasons it's so expensive is because everytime a doctor makes a mistake (as a human, not necessarily malpractice) everyone is running to their lawyers to sue! Doctors have to pay through the nose for malpractice insurance. Why is someone always at fault and falling on the ground about their rights and payback when an honest mistake is made. I'm a victim..help...give me money it will make it all better! Sheesh!
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Unread 08-05-2007, 09:30 PM
 
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We have personally been in this exact situation...where we struggled with going to the doctor because of cost. Not just for my kids...but also for my husband. In fact, we have forgone procedures because of cost. Even so, I feel capitalism while not perfect is the best way to go. One of the reasons it's so expensive is because everytime a doctor makes a mistake (as a human, not necessarily malpractice) everyone is running to their lawyers to sue! Doctors have to pay through the nose for malpractice insurance. Why is someone always at fault and falling on the ground about their rights and payback when an honest mistake is made. I'm a victim..help...give me money it will make it all better! Sheesh!
Wish it were that simple. Any joe schmoe can sue over treatment, be in the wrong and a hospital will pay him/her off because it's cheaper than going to court.
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Unread 08-05-2007, 10:36 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Twange, I am so sorry. Y'all have a lot on your plate, and more than your share! How horrible that Ford would cancel the retirees' insurance!!! You know, American companies used to take care of their employees like family
Thanks, it's been a surreal 2 years. I'm usually a cynic but when life piles difficulty on you, you have to think positive...if not the negativity will eat you up and make things worse.

The Ford thing really p*ssed me off. My generation doesn't generally remain loyal to companies but I have, simply because my father worked so hard for that place...man do I feel like a sentimental ass!!!

Makes me want to go buy a Toyota

The discussion is good, even when people disagree...at least people seem to care.
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Unread 08-05-2007, 10:58 PM
 
Location: St. Louis, MO
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Originally Posted by Jazzedforhim View Post
One of the reasons it's so expensive is because everytime a doctor makes a mistake (as a human, not necessarily malpractice) everyone is running to their lawyers to sue! Doctors have to pay through the nose for malpractice insurance.
They must be paying a h... lot of money in insurance to charge me $100 for a 5 minute visit on a Saturday (even though I have insurance) just to tell me to go and buy some medicine.

Like I said, I think check-ups should be free (paid with taxes)
and maybe a few other things only for kids.
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Unread 08-05-2007, 11:07 PM
fil
 
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Very interesting thread, especially coming from a red state.

We are a much more socialist country than folks want to admit.

It was hard for me to see in GA how many people were taking advantage of the system, seeing how much support the illegals get, and then seeing some of the Katrina refugees doing more of the same.

I've paid heavily into the system and have not pulled from it. It's very upsetting.

As for company loyalty, it no longer exists twange. I'm sorry to hear about your unfortunate dose of reality.
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Unread 08-05-2007, 11:39 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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As for company loyalty, it no longer exists twange. I'm sorry to hear about your unfortunate dose of reality.
Well, I guess I'm not that surprised. I have pretty much tried to avoid working for any large company...of course working in education is just as bad Number 1 concern? $$$

Why is it that reality always seems unfortunate? It must be a skewed set of expectations.

BTW, there will always be people who rip off the system. Some folks are just that way. But I don't think that's reason enough not to have a public health care program. There has been a lot of mention in this thread of socialist countries and their flawed plans. There's no rule that says we have to follow any of those exactly, but to use them collectively as a starting point. Find out what works and doesn't work and design our own. This is freakin' America! We're supposed to have ingenuity, heart, providence, generosity and compassion. Of course it has to work fiscally as well, but like I said before: Any country that considers itself GREAT should do its best to take care of the people's health. It's better for everyone in the long run.
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Unread 08-07-2007, 09:31 PM
 
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They must be paying a h... lot of money in insurance to charge me $100 for a 5 minute visit on a Saturday (even though I have insurance) just to tell me to go and buy some medicine.

Like I said, I think check-ups should be free (paid with taxes)
and maybe a few other things only for kids.
There are multiple reasons why this is the case:

1) many people have medicaid which only reimburses a small fraction of the price
2) many people never pay at all
3) liability is added on as a cost at literally every level of the value chain

If I have a 10% profit, 1 person with free service means I have to have 10 other people just to break even.
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Unread 08-08-2007, 01:26 AM
fil
 
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twange,

The biggest problem that we had in GA was seeing illegals getting the HOPE scholarship to go to UGA for free while watching US citizens not getting the scholarship. They just enacted a law this year to stop that loophole.

We also get disgusted watching the illegals getting free healthcare while my wife's lower-middle-class relatives were not eligible for the same medical care because they were just over the minimum to receieve the care and then were strapped paying out of pocket. To boot, we picked up the tab to make sure they got good medical care.

I agree, we should offer medical care for all of OUR people. The system is just screwed up.
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