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Old 06-21-2011, 02:26 PM
 
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I don't think anyone has circumvented the constitution here, that is a little dramatic. Also, everyone uses their 'connections' for all sorts of things - getting a job, winning a contract, etc... None of it is 'illegal'.


Yes, I am sure that JW was just planning to get arrested for DWI because he was famous. Part of the big plan, ya know. It would appear that he was receiving undue attention, possibly because he was famous, but you don't have an issue with that? Only an issue when it is used to correct a situation?

And I am not talking just about JW being humiliated, I am talking in the bigger picture, since the statement was made that celebrities in general receive and expedited process.

Personally, I am not a JW fan (at least, I have never listened to his show and the last time I really though about him he was kicking a ball for UT), but I have no problem with the police chief stepping in in such a ludicrous situation.
Actually, I don't either, as long as he does it for evey single person that it happens to, not just for his friends or celebrities. Because if it's just his friends or celebrities, then the fact is that they're getting "better" justice because of their connections to the Chief, and, to me, that's not right.
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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So you actually want the bureaucratic state in which no weight is put on specific situation? Everything must degrade to the lowest common denominator?
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Old 06-21-2011, 02:55 PM
 
Location: Southwest Austin
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Key word: eventually. Jeff avoided lots of headaches, money, and time by having Art Acevedo's cell/home number and using it. It was a sleazy thing to do- especially someone who is so vocally critical of others. I've lost all respect for him and have no interest in listening to him again. It's too bad, because I've enjoyed his libertarian leanings. My mistake was thinking of him as a journalist, when he's obviously more of an entertainer.
Well, another take on it would be that we all have connections and know people who are able to help us in various ways in life. I teach this to my daughters, about how they maintain friendships and even how they relate to "frienemies", because you never know when the relationship you nurtured and maintained in the past will get you out of a jam, help you get a job, etc.

I have absolutely no problem with JW calling Art Acevado. The Chief, I'm sure, has called Jeff to come on the show a number of times to try to explain something and do some PR related to police work. I've heard him on the show more than once. It's a two way street. They are actually "friends", in the sense they have a positive relationship with each other, and it wouldn't surprise me if Acevado has JW's cell number in his phone as well.

Given those circumstances, and if it was me, I sure would use my connection to try to undo the farce I found myself subjected to, as shown on that video. Now, if the video had shown JW wobbly and drunk, and Acevedo helped it get dismissed, we'd have a different story.

Steve
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:01 PM
 
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So you actually want the bureaucratic state in which no weight is put on specific situation? Everything must degrade to the lowest common denominator?
I'm not sure if that was addressed to me. And honestly, I'm not even exactly sure what you're asking.

If you're asking whether I want everyone to be treated the same by the police and courts whether they know the Chief or not or are a celebrity or not, then the answer is yes. I really don't have a problem with a wrong being righted (and that does seem to be what happened here). And that's what I said above. But I do have a problem with it not happening (or not happening as quickly and inexpensively) if you're not a friend of the Chief or not a celebrity.

That seems like a pretty basic definition of being treated equally under the law to me.
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:13 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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So you actually want the bureaucratic state in which no weight is put on specific situation? Everything must degrade to the lowest common denominator?
No, upgrade everybody's phone directory to include Acevedo's number.
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Old 06-21-2011, 03:15 PM
 
Location: Round Rock, Texas
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Well, another take on it would be that we all have connections and know people who are able to help us in various ways in life. I teach this to my daughters, about how they maintain friendships and even how they relate to "frienemies", because you never know when the relationship you nurtured and maintained in the past will get you out of a jam, help you get a job, etc.

I have absolutely no problem with JW calling Art Acevado. The Chief, I'm sure, has called Jeff to come on the show a number of times to try to explain something and do some PR related to police work. I've heard him on the show more than once. It's a two way street. They are actually "friends", in the sense they have a positive relationship with each other, and it wouldn't surprise me if Acevado has JW's cell number in his phone as well.

Given those circumstances, and if it was me, I sure would use my connection to try to undo the farce I found myself subjected to, as shown on that video. Now, if the video had shown JW wobbly and drunk, and Acevedo helped it get dismissed, we'd have a different story.

Steve
JW can go through the same process all the other innocent Joe-6Packs endure.
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Old 06-21-2011, 05:28 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Are you kidding??? Did you listen to Jeff Ward's show the day after he got arrested? He didn't sound the least bit humiliated.

Oh, and by the way, people who are "famous" choose to be famous. They're well aware of the risks involved in fame, and work very hard to become famous despite those risks.

There is ONE constititution, and it is supposed to be applied equally to everyone, regardless of fame or lack thereof.
He did not do his show the next day.
Got arrested Thur night. Someone else did the show Friday.
He did not come back to his show until Monday.
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:27 PM
 
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I don't think anyone has circumvented the constitution here, that is a little dramatic. Also, everyone uses their 'connections' for all sorts of things - getting a job, winning a contract, etc... None of it is 'illegal'.


Yes, I am sure that JW was just planning to get arrested for DWI because he was famous. Part of the big plan, ya know. It would appear that he was receiving undue attention, possibly because he was famous, but you don't have an issue with that? Only an issue when it is used to correct a situation?

And I am not talking just about JW being humiliated, I am talking in the bigger picture, since the statement was made that celebrities in general receive and expedited process.

Personally, I am not a JW fan (at least, I have never listened to his show and the last time I really though about him he was kicking a ball for UT), but I have no problem with the police chief stepping in in such a ludicrous situation.
I sure hope you're so supportive the next time a non-famous Austinite needs the police chief to step in for him/her in a "ludicrous situtation".
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Old 06-21-2011, 09:29 PM
 
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He did not do his show the next day.
Got arrested Thur night. Someone else did the show Friday.
He did not come back to his show until Monday.
The next day he came back. Better???
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Old 06-21-2011, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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I sure hope you're so supportive the next time a non-famous Austinite needs the police chief to step in for him/her in a "ludicrous situation".
I will be . I am happy whenever someone actually gets treated 'right', whether they are famous or not. I understand that not everyone does and that for all cases to get reviewed that quickly is not really feasible, most likely, but I still can't be mad that some did get treated right.
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