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Old 10-11-2011, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Originally Posted by oldtoiletsmkgdflrpots View Post
Thanks Atxcio. Time to leave the cave. We'll be going in the near future.
Sounds like you haven't been to Austin in a long time. I don't know any indoor places in Austin that allow smoking anymore, and Highland Mall is basically finished. Once ACC takes over, the transformation will begin.

Smoking bans have basically become a trend in all major metro areas in the United States. Actually, make that a trend all over the Western world. Take a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_smoking_bans. Even Spain and France have banned smoking indoors! I can't wait to travel back to Spain and not have to deal with smoke in every restaurant.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:32 AM
 
Location: Broomfield, CO
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I have never been to a smoking restaurant in Austin, but when I moved here back in 2003, the city had a smoking ban that related to times of the day. Some restaurants were non smoking until 2pm then smoking after that. In 2005, a ban was passed in all restaurants and bars that was passed by only 52% of registered voters. We can see all the health conscious people in Austin. Even today, from what I have heard, although most bars downtown are non smoking, some still allow it because it's not enforced by the cops. It's on a complaint basis only. No complaints, basically means no enforcement.

Remember, Austin is the largest capitol in the nation of a state that still allows smoking in most every place including restaurants and bars.


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Would you say the majority of restaurants allow smoking or are no smoking in Austin?
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:32 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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Remember, Austin is the largest capitol in the nation of a state that still allows smoking in most every place including restaurants and bars.
What are you talking about?! I go out to clubs and restaurants every week, and none of them allow smoking inside.

Do you have any source to back up your statement, or are you just making up facts and statistics again because you hate Austin?
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:38 PM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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He/she is saying the State of Texas does not prohibit it. Or at least, I think that is the gist.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:45 PM
 
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Do you have any source to back up your statement, or are you just making up facts and statistics again because you hate Austin?
It's just a lie and made up facts again.

Austin was the first of the big 4 Texas cities to ban smoking in all public places, in fact:

Time for statewide ban on smoking in public places - Houston Chronicle

El Paso was actually the first city in Texas to ban it, and Austin was the second. But you'd expect Austin to be the first, with the health consciousness and the somewhat heavy-handed progressive city council (3 foot rule, texting ban, tree ordinances, anti-war resolutions, etc). So the fact that El Paso was first is kinda interesting.

Seems like from the article, that Dallas was the slowest to adopt it of all the major cities, they banned it about the same time as San Antonio and Corpus.
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Old 10-13-2011, 03:49 PM
 
Location: Pflugerville
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It's just a lie and made up facts again.

Austin was the first of the big 4 Texas cities to ban smoking in all public places, in fact:

Time for statewide ban on smoking in public places - Houston Chronicle

El Paso was actually the first city in Texas to ban it, and Austin was the second. But you'd expect Austin to be the first, with the health consciousness and the somewhat heavy-handed progressive city council (3 foot rule, texting ban, tree ordinances, anti-war resolutions, etc). So the fact that El Paso was first is kinda interesting.

Seems like from the article, that Dallas was the slowest to adopt it of all the major cities, they banned it about the same time as San Antonio and Corpus.
It's sad that every time Eepstein posts something, we have to go to the internet and look up the truth and post is here. It's like running after a 2 year old and making sure they are not knocking things over.

Thanks for being on Eepstein duty today.

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Old 10-13-2011, 08:35 PM
 
Location: Broomfield, CO
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Many cities throughout the state had stronger smoking ordinances before Austin did including its neighbor to the north of Round Rock. Several Houston and Dallas suburbs also had smoking restaurant bans before Austin did. In addition, Austin passed with only 52% of the vote. Dallas and Houston both passed with far greater percentages.

Ok mister Fact person. Name me a state capitol in this country larger than Austin that is in a state that still allows smoking everywhere. Hmmmmmm?


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Originally Posted by atxcio View Post
It's just a lie and made up facts again.

Austin was the first of the big 4 Texas cities to ban smoking in all public places, in fact:

Time for statewide ban on smoking in public places - Houston Chronicle

El Paso was actually the first city in Texas to ban it, and Austin was the second. But you'd expect Austin to be the first, with the health consciousness and the somewhat heavy-handed progressive city council (3 foot rule, texting ban, tree ordinances, anti-war resolutions, etc). So the fact that El Paso was first is kinda interesting.

Seems like from the article, that Dallas was the slowest to adopt it of all the major cities, they banned it about the same time as San Antonio and Corpus.
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Old 10-13-2011, 08:39 PM
 
Location: Broomfield, CO
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No, that is a lie. El Paso was the first city. Austin BARELY passed the measure at 52% of residents. Gee, you would think the "liberal" minded people of Austin wouldn't mind government regulation here. My guess is the heavy smoking influence in this "health" conscious city.

Texting ban?? Ah yes, Austinites can't text, but can still talk on their cell phones whenever they want to. (and they do in droves) Yes, that's progressive. Tree ordinances?? You mean tall bush ordinances??

If Austin is progressive, I would hate to visit a NON progressive city.


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Originally Posted by atxcio View Post
It's just a lie and made up facts again.

Austin was the first of the big 4 Texas cities to ban smoking in all public places, in fact:

Time for statewide ban on smoking in public places - Houston Chronicle

El Paso was actually the first city in Texas to ban it, and Austin was the second. But you'd expect Austin to be the first, with the health consciousness and the somewhat heavy-handed progressive city council (3 foot rule, texting ban, tree ordinances, anti-war resolutions, etc). So the fact that El Paso was first is kinda interesting.

Seems like from the article, that Dallas was the slowest to adopt it of all the major cities, they banned it about the same time as San Antonio and Corpus.
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Old 10-13-2011, 09:12 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Ok mister Fact person. Name me a state capitol in this country larger than Austin that is in a state that still allows smoking everywhere. Hmmmmmm?
Indianapolis, Indiana

There are only two state capitals larger in city population than Austin: Indianapolis and Phoenix.

Indiana has restricted smoking in some places, but doesn't have a statewide smoking ban. List of smoking bans in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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No statewide smoking ban. Instead, Indiana's 1993 statewide smoking law, the Clean Indoor Air Law, generally prohibits smoking in state government buildings, schools, healthcare facilities, fire and police stations, childcare and daycare facilities, healthcare provider offices, retail areas of grocery and drug stores designated as nonsmoking, dining areas of restaurants designated as nonsmoking, and school buses during school hours or when transporting children.[79] In state government buildings, schools, healthcare facilities, fire and police stations, childcare and daycare facilities, and healthcare provider offices, the proprietor may designate a smoking area, but does not have to, and in either case must post warning signage as appropriate.[79] The law covers no other places, and the state is empowered to grant waivers from this law.[79] Local governments may regulate smoking more strictly than the state law.[79]
Attempts in the Indiana General Assembly to enact some manner of statewide smoking ban have failed every year since 2007. In April 2007, the Indiana Senate removed a smoking ban from a health care funding bill passed by the Indiana House of Representatives, and in January 2008, a proposed statewide smoking ban introduced by Rep. Charlie Brown died in a House committee without a vote or debate.[80] In April 2009, another proposed statewide ban introduced by Rep. Brown was passed by the House by a vote of 70-26 after being amended to exempt restaurants, bars, and casinos, and then did not receive a committee hearing in the Senate.[81] In February 2010, another proposed ban by Rep. Brown was denied a committee hearing or vote in the Senate after having been passed by the House, 73-26.[82] In April 2011, a Senate committee voted 8-1 to reject a statewide ban exempting bars, casinos, private clubs, retail tobacco shops, and nursing homes, which also had been introduced by Rep. Brown and previously had passed the House, 68-31.[83]
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Old 10-13-2011, 10:28 PM
 
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No, that is a lie. El Paso was the first city. Austin BARELY passed the measure at 52% of residents. Gee, you would think the "liberal" minded people of Austin wouldn't mind government regulation here. My guess is the heavy smoking influence in this "health" conscious city.
I should point out that even after quoting my message TWICE, you still seem to not understand the facts. I can't help with your reading comprehension, so let me just simplify the point for you:

I said Austin was the first of the big 4 Texas cities to pass it. That is a fact.

Do the math.

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Ok mister Fact person. Name me a state capitol in this country larger than Austin that is in a state that still allows smoking everywhere. Hmmmmmm?
Alright, remember you are *asking me* to correct you, so:

#1 Austin is a state capital, not a state capitol (which would be the building)
#2 Texas does not allow smoking everywhere, see the penal code here: http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.u.../htm/PE.48.htm
#3 If you overlook mistakes 1 and 2 and want me to try to interpret the question for you, well it's already been answered above.

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