01-17-2013, 06:09 AM
Location: Bangor Maine
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Back in 2000 I read his book "It's Not About the Bike" and have loosely followed his career. I had so hoped that all the dopping accusations were not true. It is always amazing to me how the addiction to "money" will truly corrupt.
01-17-2013, 06:46 AM
Location: Round Rock, TX
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Looks like he's getting his 2000 Olympic medal taken away now...
01-17-2013, 06:51 AM
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mickey65
Looks like he's getting his 2000 Olympic medal taken away now...
Not related to the interview in the least, the decision was made weeks ago and timing is a coincidence.
Anyway, whether the "admission" works out or not wont be determined in the next day or two but over the course of months or years.
01-17-2013, 07:16 AM
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01-17-2013, 12:35 PM
Location: SW Austin & Wimberley
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Idlewile
Good writeup. I feel for the writer.
It's starting to look like Lance went 'all in', past the point of no return, in an attempt to have it all. I wonder, after which TDF title did he first think "I can't keep doing this", if he ever thought that, but then decided, "no, I'm in way to deep, I have to stick with the story all the way, no matter what". I wonder if he actually started to believe himself at some point.
If this "reveal" is headed where it seems to be, it's one of the most colossal, lengthy, ongoing and elaborate cover-ups of modern sports times. I'm sure there are bigger ones never unearthed or known (in government and politics especially), but its the forcefulness and level of counter-assault involved with his denials that I think make the presumed forthcoming admission so astounding.
That said, let's see how this goes.
Steve
01-17-2013, 01:19 PM
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austin-steve
I'm guessing it wasn't a matter of believing his own lies - but more it was a matter of believing that it was permitted non-permissible behavior. In other words, yeah, it was a technical violation - but only if you got caught, and if you don't get caught then everyone breathes a sigh of relief and moves on with life.
And if he hadn't been a 7 time TdF winner, that might have been true. As it turns out he was the sports story of the century and there was going to be too much light for people to let it go. Add onto that some rather abysmal personal behavior in keeping the secret and there was way way too much fuel for a spark not to catch one time.
If he had kept a lower profile, quit after 5 TdF (hell, if he had not raced again a few years later) then its entirely feasible that all the evasions would have been perfectly successful.
I also don't discount an accident of history here. Betsy Andreu was pit bull when so many other people would have ****. Earning the enmity of Greg LeMond was also bad news. Also, Floyd Landis turned out to not be another Tyler Hamilton and was equally determined. Then there was that whole weird investigation into doping in California that just happened to help connect the dots back to Lance Armstrong.
In short, I think it was a combination of exposure he brought on himself by being such a great story, his particular personality and some weird particular personalities outside of his control that ultimately brought him down. He very well could have avoided the whole fiasco if the cards hadn't fallen just so.
01-17-2013, 01:51 PM
Location: Avery Ranch, Austin, TX
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He didn't have any made-up girlfriends during all this, did he? THAT would have been an interesting twist.
01-17-2013, 02:07 PM
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Isn't there some sort of statute of limitations that also runs out today on a possible federal case? Will be interesting to see if he makes it by that one... if so, he should thank imaginary girlfriends, Boeing 787s, and executive orders.
01-17-2013, 02:13 PM
Location: Avery Ranch, Austin, TX
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Isn't there some sort of statute of limitations that also runs out today on a possible federal case? Will be interesting to see if he makes it by that one... if so, he should thank imaginary girlfriends, Boeing 787s, and executive orders.watching the interview tonight . If it was going to be a tear-fest geared towards the ladies, as I originally expected, I would have no interest... but it seems like there *might* be lots of specifics. Not in his confession, but in who and what he might implicate or reveal. CNBC should run it with a real-time "net worth" value that will go up and down depending on his answers...
Maybe SportsCenter will have the CliffsNotes version
. Kinda like watching the Australian Open Tennis highlights instead of dozing through the whole thing.
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Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)
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