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Old 04-30-2015, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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Are you aware the majority opinion in AUS is "Interning" is the the privileged taking advantage of the oppressed? Unions and others are trying to make that illegal.
Internships vary anywhere from being paid $60/hour in Midtown Manhattan to volunteering at a women's shelter. Because of the oversaturation of the liberal arts field, many unfortunately are effectively obligated to sacrifice pay in order to get the experience that will distinguish themselves. It's a reality that many in previous generations are unaware of.
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Old 04-30-2015, 10:21 PM
 
Location: East TX
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Internships vary anywhere from being paid $60/hour in Midtown Manhattan to volunteering at a women's shelter. Because of the oversaturation of the liberal arts field, many unfortunately are effectively obligated to sacrifice pay in order to get the experience that will distinguish themselves. It's a reality that many in previous generations are unaware of.
It's a reality that many in previous generations avoided by (A) picking a major that ended with a marketable skill or (B) taking a job that paid in spite of being outside the course of study or being underemployed.

Volunteering in a women's shelter or other worthwhile endeavor is something many in previous generations sacrificed for because it was a good thing to do, in addition to working those pesky jobs to pay the bills.
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Old 04-30-2015, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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It's a reality that many in previous generations avoided by (A) picking a major that ended with a marketable skill or (B) taking a job that paid in spite of being outside the course of study or being underemployed.

Volunteering in a women's shelter or other worthwhile endeavor is something many in previous generations sacrificed for because it was a good thing to do, in addition to working those pesky jobs to pay the bills.
This is quickly getting off topic, but you can't deny that both college and the "follow your passion" narrative were pushed on Milennials pretty hard at a very impressionable age. The world is way more competitive than it used to be.
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Old 05-01-2015, 12:00 AM
 
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Internships vary anywhere from being paid $60/hour in Midtown Manhattan to volunteering at a women's shelter. Because of the oversaturation of the liberal arts field, many unfortunately are effectively obligated to sacrifice pay in order to get the experience that will distinguish themselves. It's a reality that many in previous generations are unaware of.
It wasn't unheard of at all 20 and 30 years ago either. Many of the internships available to those in "marketable" degree programs were unpaid or had a sub-living wages. One took them to gain experience and make contacts within their chosen industry. We made it work then, and there's no reason people can't make it work now.

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This is quickly getting off topic, but you can't deny that both college and the "follow your passion" narrative were pushed on Milennials pretty hard at a very impressionable age. The world is way more competitive than it used to be.
No it isn't. There's just a larger group of people who are now unwilling to do the work it takes and make the sacrifices that are required to get ahead in this world. And the internet gives them a much bigger platform upon which to display their angst.
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Old 05-01-2015, 06:36 AM
 
Location: Downtown Austin
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No it isn't [more competitive world now]. There's just a larger group of people who are now unwilling to do the work it takes and make the sacrifices that are required to get ahead in this world. And the internet gives them a much bigger platform upon which to display their angst.
I agree with this. If the world is more competitive it's because people are trying to get ahead and win with less meaningful effort. It's not enough to think of oneself as deserving, which is what a lot of the younger generation seem to do. One must be deemed worthy by those who hire.

That said, I have a daughter interviewing as she graduates this year from college. She checked all the "treadmill" checkboxes - internships every summer (all unpaid), Honors Graduate, high GPA, worked for the school newspaper, etc. Many of the Entry Level jobs in which she is interested have been retitled "Paid Internship".

It seems as if maybe businesses are doing away with the 90 day probationary period for new hires and just calling them 'paid interns' instead. If traced backwards, I'll bet this policy has something to do with legal considerations, and job classifications and employee count, perhaps as it relates to ObamaCare, but it's probably more than just that. It's a litigious world, and interns are probably less of a liability than employees, and it's a buyer's market for entry level employees.

Steve
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Old 05-01-2015, 06:46 AM
 
Location: East TX
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This is quickly getting off topic, but you can't deny that both college and the "follow your passion" narrative were pushed on Milennials pretty hard at a very impressionable age. The world is way more competitive than it used to be.
Think for a moment about that statement. You believe the world today is more competitive than at the end of WWII when our GI's came home? You believe that there is more competition today than when our forefathers traveled west to the frontiers of this country, or left Europe to risk everything at a chance for a dream?

The problem is that today our children's generation is replacing "the right to the pursuit of happiness" with the entitlement to be made happy. I worked to put myself through college while raising a family and changed careers a couple different times before learning to be satisfied with where I am. If a young adult today needs to intern for awhile at the same time they work a second shift or drive a few extra hours - hop to it.

It's time to tell the kids that it is a tough life out there and employers don't really care about making you feel valuable like the tenured profs did in school where you pursued a worthless degree program.
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Old 05-01-2015, 07:12 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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Think for a moment about that statement. You believe the world today is more competitive than at the end of WWII when our GI's came home? You believe that there is more competition today than when our forefathers traveled west to the frontiers of this country, or left Europe to risk everything at a chance for a dream?

The problem is that today our children's generation is replacing "the right to the pursuit of happiness" with the entitlement to be made happy. I worked to put myself through college while raising a family and changed careers a couple different times before learning to be satisfied with where I am. If a young adult today needs to intern for awhile at the same time they work a second shift or drive a few extra hours - hop to it.

It's time to tell the kids that it is a tough life out there and employers don't really care about making you feel valuable like the tenured profs did in school where you pursued a worthless degree program.
Ah, the old "This generation is more entitled than previous ones" line. I have no idea what your age is, but anecdotally speaking, both my parents and my grandparents, as well as friends within their generation are often bewildered at the hours and difficulty of work that they see me and my friends put in just to have job security. I won't deny that the "Greatest Generation" that you speak of worked harder than all of us and we still reap the benefits. But you'll have to excuse me when I say that the generations that were able to pay off their car and tuition with a weekend or summer job, and effectively be guaranteed a job with benefits upon graduation (i.e. People like my parents and grandparents) generally aren't very good at measuring competitiveness.

But hey, I'm just a whiny entitled 20-something who shouldn't be taken seriously anyway. So is the OP, who is doing his best to boost his chances at getting a job and being told by others on this forum he should just get a job.

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Old 05-01-2015, 07:51 AM
 
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Ah, the old "This generation is more entitled than previous ones" line. I have no idea what your age is, but anecdotally speaking, both my parents and my grandparents, as well as friends within their generation are often bewildered at the hours and difficulty of work that they see me and my friends put in just to have job security. I won't deny that the "Greatest Generation" that you speak of worked harder than all of us and we still reap the benefits. But you'll have to excuse me when I say that the generations that were able to pay off their car and tuition with a weekend or summer job, and effectively be guaranteed a job with benefits upon graduation (i.e. People like my parents and grandparents) generally aren't very good at measuring competitiveness.

But hey, I'm just a whiny entitled 20-something who shouldn't be taken seriously anyway.
This is completely revisionist history. Everyone -- and I mean everyone -- I know worked their way through college. Not a one of us moved back home afterwards --- all in spite of the fact that we graduated during the thick of the great recession of the early 80s. There were no "guaranteed jobs" and everyone I know had and continues to have a strong work ethic. Sixty to eighty hour weeks are the norm for us and have been throughout our careers.

My opinion is based on years of experience, particularly in the hiring of recent college grads. I realize how difficult it can be when the real world lets them know they aren't the super special snowflake their parents have told them they are since birth and that a competitive workplace is the norm --- just like it was 20 and more years ago.
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Old 05-01-2015, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Denver via Austin
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This is completely revisionist history. Everyone -- and I mean everyone -- I know worked their way through college. Not a one of us moved back home afterwards --- all in spite of the fact that we graduated during the thick of the great recession of the early 80s. There were no "guaranteed jobs" and everyone I know had and continues to have a strong work ethic. Sixty to eighty hour weeks are the norm for us and have been throughout our careers.
Duly noted. That's quite a different story than what others have told me. I'm just floored at the flippant "just get a job" mentality that so many people have as if opportunities are readily handed out.

I really wish I had more time to discuss how entitled me and my generation are, but alas, I don't. OP, you really should just get a job. Hope I see you on the same side of the widening wage gap.
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Old 05-01-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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Wow didn't meant to spark this whole internship vs job and entitled millennials debate I just wanted to know if it'd be feasible making the commute from SA to Austin for an internship or not. And obviously I do really want a job but I'd like some resume boosters too.
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