Hyde Park Burglaries (Mansfield, Shiner: houses, move, community)

[austifornian]

It is a tie, but a tie with one HUGE difference. When well off kids get into trouble it leads to counseling and rehab. When not so well off kids get into trouble it leads to court and custody.

[Biscuits]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

Also I think it's been objectively proven that there is more serious crime in-town than out in the suburbs, as evidenced by the PDF file posted earlier. That is not to say that there is NO crime in the suburbs, but there was less in 2007 according to the stats.

Which suburban zip are we comparing to 78703?

[Biscuits]

Attached are the aforementioned 2007 crime stats for my dangerous "in-town" zip vs. Raskolnikov's "suburban" 78749 (please correct me if I am wrong).

In this comparison, I see the "serious crimes" occurring ever so slightly more often in 78749.

[Biscuits]

I botched the attempted attachment on the last message...

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by Biscuits

Attached are the aforementioned 2007 crime stats for my dangerous "in-town" zip vs. Raskolnikov's "suburban" 78749 (please correct me if I am wrong).

In this comparison, I see the "serious crimes" occurring ever so slightly more often in 78749.

We were talking about comparing 78722 with suburban zip codes, and by the way, as I mentioned I don't have a dog in this hunt. I was not the one saying 'My place is safer than yours', that was an earlier poster. (Forget their name and I'm too lazy to go back through the thread to see where it started.) Try comparing Hyde Park (where the break ins have been having, and the origin of this whole conversation) with Circle C, Bel Terra, Steiner Ranch or Meridian zip code. And congratulations on living in one of the richest zip codes in Austin (and in the country), 78703.

[Raskolnikov]

So I went back to the start of the thread. The premise was made by llkltk that the Hyde Park neighborhood area had more crime than her "master planned community."

1. LLKLTK was comparing her master planned community with the crime stats of Hyde Park.
2. People started attacking LLKLTK and trying to prove that master planned communities introduced their kids to drugs at an earlier age and had much worse problems with their kids overall, because the parents don't care and they are in denial.

So if you're trying to make an argument about burbs versus "in town", narrow your arguments to the original scope that LLKLTK brought up got chewed out for.

[Biscuits]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

We were talking about comparing 78722 with suburban zip codes, and by the way, as I mentioned I don't have a dog in this hunt. I was not the one saying 'My place is safer than yours', that was an earlier poster. (Forget their name and I'm too lazy to go back through the thread to see where it started.) Try comparing Hyde Park (where the break ins have been having, and the origin of this whole conversation) with Circle C, Bel Terra, Steiner Ranch or Meridian zip code. And congratulations on living in one of the richest zip codes in Austin (and in the country), 78703.

Since you seem bound and determined to want me to play the "elitist" richest-snob-in the-world role, I'll try:

To my knowledge, 78722 is East of I-35.

78751 indeed has higher reported crime than Circle C and it also has higher crime than other "in-town" areas such as 78703. Point being, using crime as an excuse to abandon most "in-town" areas for the suburbs is folly.

In my opinion, if a family can't afford to pay $2m for the .33 acre, 4,000 sq. ft., newly constructed home in Pemberton Heights, then that is more likely the reason they are moving to Bel Tera not because Pemberton's location is in the "city", where the perception of increased crime exits.

Moreover, I don't think my place is necessarily any safer than yours, the earlier poster, or any suburb that you listed. I do believe it is close to equal in crime and public schooling (Casis/O'Henry/Austin High) AND vastly superior in almost every other significant category ranging from traffic to property appreciation.

I don't think this is any sort of newsflash and it all translates very easily into supply/demand and local land values. I also don't have any psychological issue that makes me state the obvious. IMHO, people who sacrificed many advantage to live in the suburbs would more likely be the ones who feel compelled to justify their decision.

[Raskolnikov]

Originally Posted by Biscuits

Since you seem bound and determined to want me to play the "elitist" richest-snob-in the-world role, I'll try:

To my knowledge, 78722 is East of I-35.

78751 indeed has higher reported crime than Circle C and it also has higher crime than other "in-town" areas such as 78703. Point being, using crime as an excuse to abandon most "in-town" areas for the suburbs is folly.

In my opinion, if a family can't afford to pay $2m for the .33 acre, 4,000 sq. ft., newly constructed home in Pemberton Heights, then that is more likely the reason they are moving to Bel Tera not because Pemberton's location is in the "city", where the perception of increased crime exits.

Moreover, I don't think my place is necessarily any safer than yours, the earlier poster, or any suburb that you listed. I do believe it is close to equal in crime and public schooling (Casis/O'Henry/Austin High) AND vastly superior in almost every other significant category ranging from traffic to property appreciation.

I don't think this is any sort of newsflash and it all translates very easily into supply/demand and local land values. I also don't have any psychological issue that makes me state the obvious. IMHO, people who sacrificed many advantage to live in the suburbs would more likely be the ones who feel compelled to justify their decision.

I feel like you're changing the subject. Pemberton Heights was never the subject of the conversation. We were discussing break ins in Hyde Park. llktk said that she did not understand why someone would pay $400K for a 1200 square foot bungalow with a higher crime rate than living in the suburbs where there is less crime and you can get more for your money. I don't even necessarilly agree with her statement. As you said, there are other reasons why people would decide to live in the city that she didn't mention. However, when people started piling on, trying to say the suburbs were LESS safe, more drug infested, full of stepford robots in denial, etc. I jumped in. Because that IS elitism.

There are good reasons why people live in Hyde Park. And good reasons why people live in the suburbs. Let's not each try to insult each other. Let's not try to take away the positives of both areas.

[atlanta hope]

Originally Posted by Raskolnikov

There are good reasons why people live in Hyde Park. And good reasons why people live in the suburbs. Let's not each try to insult each other. Let's not try to take away the positives of both areas.

Well put Raskolnikov!

I hope my rant didn't flame the fires... I think either central or suburban Austin is far safer than were I am now.

[mimimomx3]

I think when you choose to live in the central city you take all the pros (closer access to city entertainment, more unique housing options, better commute) and the cons (less control of enviroment, crime, proximity) into consideration. I, personally, would never start a thread with something as insulting as the original post....implying that people who live in the city would put their kids at risk. That tends to make people 'testy'.