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Since this is such a popular topic, I did a quick search and pulled up a neighborhood association in SW Austin called 'OHAN' (Oak Hill Association of Neighborhoods). It has lots of links and good info, although you have to dig to find some of it.
Oak Hill Association of Neighborhoods (OHAN) Since I live in the Villages at Western Oaks, I looked through the latest HOA rules (http://www.newvillages.org/governingdocs3.pdf, starting on pg. 118). This is a very brief summary, and possible incorrect since I just jotted down what it looks like is meant, but it gives an idea of what the HOA construction looks like. A few notes:
Article I - Definitions Article II - Additions to the property
About what you woud expect here. A very detailed description of the process. Article VII - Funds and Assessments
Not very exciting. Specifies which easements may exist and guarantees access to greenbelt and common areas. Article IX - Misc.
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TrainWreck Last edited by Trainwreck20; 01-21-2008 at 10:26 AM. |
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These are fairly typical HOA rules in Austin.
I finally had to check out of the other HOA thread due to the hyperbole and scaremongering being spread by one of the participants. You're personal experience (no major problems) in living in an HOA neighborhood is what I think would be reported by 95% of normal people living in HOA neighborhoods. Steve |
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It is interesting that the developer decided that it was in the "best interests" of the homeowners to impose a perpetual special assessment in order to pay for the Karst Preserve. I suspect, that this was some concession to enable the developer to get permission to further develop as-yet undeveloped areas within the city of Austin. Mighty generous to benefit the residents in such a fashion with a perpetual special assessment.
Notice page 91 in the part about an agreement between the city of Austin, declarant, and your HOA. That's not a 3 party agreement - the declarant controls the HOA. See also page 101 where the declarant states the "desire of the homeowners association". Note also the declarant's specific reservation in the document regarding special assessments for section 31 to have the ability to come back and amend that (page 107) Look at page 111 where property was subject to the "master restrictions" and governed by a "master association". The developer sold off the land to a declarant and as part of the purchase they agree that the sold property was no longer subject to such restrictions. Now if those restrictions were truly imposed to preserve property value, wouldn't you think that removing the restrictions "harms property values". The area that was originally going to be SFH was apparently sold off for condos. (pg 111). Although I really couldn't interpret a whole lot in a quick read, pg 112 seem to indicate that there are at least two associations and that the condo owners won't be members of the master association but that they will have to pay fees to it anyway. sec 3.1 regarding antennas probably violates the FCC OTARD rules - especially if your ACC required an ACC fee. Some of these associations are now requiring a $500 fee for ANY submittal to the ACC. Your restrictions do not appear to provide for private fining. Can you tell us whether there have been "resolutions" or "policies" to permit the Board to fine residents despite the lack of such powers in the CCRs? Do you have to pay fees for any submittals to the ACC despite the lack of any such requirement in the CCRs? Examining section 9.3 the declarant can still amend your CCRs against your will until some unknown point into the future. Note the "entitled owners" part of 9.3(B). Guess who the only entitled owner is until the expiration of 9.3(A). The remaining assessments appear to have been imposed retroactively on people in 2001 that had purchased lots without such assessments at least as early as 1993? Also apparently the masonry requirement was varied from section to section anywhere from 50% to 100%. Clearly the percentage had little to do with preserving value. In 2000, the Board authorized expenditures to "educate" residents on proper use of pesticides, etc. In addition, the restriction was added to require people to abide by the laws regarding pesticides, etc. Now people are already bound by the municipality, why do you need to fund an HOA to require people to follow municipal laws? Isn't it a little odd to give a private entity the ability to fine people for violation of an actual law without providing due process, equal protection, etc.? This also seems like a perk to force residents to have to pay for "education" by whatever vendor the Board wants to use for such purposes. |
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I have to admit, that anything prior to page 118 I did not look over, since it is no longer in effect, nor was it at the time I bought my house, so it has no direct bearing on me currently.
As for antennae, I believe they have a standing requirement that you meet FCC requirements. I had it paraphrased to me that you were limited to two antennae and pole mounted untis must be below the fence or otherwise not visible from the street. We pole mounted our dish behind a tree in the back yard and it is below the level of the fence. Anyway, the ARC approval is generally used to make sure that the grounding requirements are met for the antennae. Quote:
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The pesticide thing was before my time, so I am not really up to date on it and do not have any idea what the rational was. It is quite possible there was one, I don't know. Again, I am concerned with myself going forward.
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Sorry for the earlier too-long post. I was taking notes and hit "post" instead of preview. However, please look at the following attachments.
Here is a newsletter from West Cave Estates. This document serves as an excellent example of what's going on in these subdivisions. WCE's declarations did not provide for fining or a host of other conduct that the management company has advised the Board with respect to. Look at page 4, last sentence of column 2. Alliance's basis for justifying fines is that the CCRs do not provide a ban on fines and thus they are permitted. There was NO vote by any members to institute these policies. The Board members unilaterally implemented private fining from which of course the Board members are inherently immune. This is happening in subdivision, after subdivision, without the consent and to the great detriment of the members. Typically wherever Alliance goes, you will find that they convince a Board to implement these fining policies. Next, Alliance will instruct the Board for the need of a priority of payment document which enables Alliance to extort money from you under threat of the loss of your home. Fox 7 On Your Side did a story about Alliance's practices in November 2006. The only thing that has changed is that more subdivisions have fallen victim to these practices. In reviewing the comments made by the Board, the gullibility of the Board members to Alliance is appalling. Alliance does NOT represent the interests of the homeowners but rather the homeowners are Alliance's prey. Look at page 4, column 1, last sentence where the Board falsely represents to the members that Alliance "actually shares contractural liability with the HOA for actions taken and thus will never violate the Declarations of any HOA with which they have a management contract" . This is utterly false. Alliance's contracts provide that Alliance is wholly indemnified by the HOA for any actions it takes - thus Alliance faces zero liability for its actions. Look at this ridiculous justification in the fact of what Alliance pushed through this HOA - private fining. Look at page 4, column 3, point 2 - Alliance and the attorney wholeheartedly agree. Of course they do. This fining policy in conjunction with the priority of payment resolution enables wholesale scamming of the entire neighborhood - for the benefit of Alliance and the HOA attorney. The remaining rationales are ludicrous. Referring to points 3, 4, and 5 - The homeowner is threatened with the loss of his home unless he complies - no court, no due process. This is rationalized as giving the BOD more negotiating power. Of course it's quick because it's the financial equivalent of a carjacking. Here you go: WCE0406p4.pdf |
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[quote]The area that was originally going to be SFH was apparently sold off for condos. (pg 111). Although I really couldn't interpret a whole lot in a quick read, pg 112 seem to indicate that there are at least two associations and that the condo owners won't be members of the master association but that they will have to pay fees to it anyway.[quote] That is correct, the condo owners will have to pay fees for the maintenance of the Karst Preserve and for maintenance of the developments common properties which they have use rights to. They are not required to pay the costs associated with "operation, managing and insuring the Master Association." Quote:
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You see the pesticide provision by the board as a way to enrich or benefit the board members but it could just as easily be an attempt by the board to get neighbors to stop poisoning one another with the improper use of pesticides. It sounds like you have had bad experiences with HOA's. This shows in your interpretation of the documents and in your posts. Luckily for you you live in Texas. There are plenty of places available here where nobody, not even the government, can tell you what to do. |
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This HOA thread and the "other" one really bring it home as to why we will never buy in one. OMG.. what a mess, do you ever actually own you're property?!? (without strings attached)
We looked at a few HOA developements before we bought, and the stack of rules/papers was 10 times as thick as the closing papers on the house we'd just sold, that was enough for us! I realize it works for some, but of the friends WE know in them, all have had issues.. Cheers |
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Driftwood,
Personally, I agree with you...I would much rather NOT be in an HOA; however, given a combination of where I work and the quality of house/neighborhood/school that I want to have, I really don't have much choice. Previously, I lived in Angus Valley, which has a neighborhood association (total different beast) and I really liked it. When we moved into our current neighborhood, I was a little concerned due to the horror stories I had heard about some HOAs. I have gone to a couple of the meetings and have faith in both the intelligence and judgement of the poeple on the board. Since we have lived there, we would never have known that the HOA existed, other than the ~$200/yr that we pay in assessment. There have been no fines and no fees to ANYONE that I know of, and the only 'actions' that I know of are that 1) a junker car parked on the curb for a couple weeks was 'cited' and had to be removed, and 2) some people that were moving had put out a bunch of items (a truck front grill and night stand, that I remember, and one or two other things) and left them out there in a semi-permanent yard sale. They were notified to remove the items. Again, neither was a fine. As I understand it, the owner of the car would have been charge for towing if they had not moved it, and the items on the lawn would also have been removed and the owner charged. I have no real problem with either action, they were not taken maliciously and both owners were well past the time limits of the HOA rules (actually, the yard sale thing is a COA thing, I think). Quote:
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Trainwreck and Austinfornia,
Great job of pointing out the hysteria and misrepresentation of the ant-HOA posts. Not that I am a big fan of HOAs, but they simply do not deserve the level of concern and fear that some would suggest. Now I gotta go spread some reputation so I can credit you both for the well thought out responses. Steve |
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Trainwreck,
The problem is that the HOAs have been given far too much power and the litigation playing field is tilted very heavily against homeowners by statute. In short, no matter what the Board says and irrespective of what your CCRs state, you will either have to: 1) comply - irrespective of what your CCRs state; 2) fork out tremendous amounts of $$$ in order to defend/assert yourself; or 3) risk losing your home. Your CCRs might not provide for fining. That's why I provided an attachment to illustrate to you what is going on in neighborhood after neighborhood. Their CCRs didn't provide for fining either. I asked the question about fines in your neighborhood to determine whether the cancer had already hit. You may be correct that your CCRs don't provide for fining. However, as illustrated by that attachment, the management companies are convincing Boards to adopt fining policies by "resolution". No vote of the members, no CCR amendment. They also convince the Board to adopt a priority of payment "resolution" to re-characterize assessment payments against your instructions. Any payment you make is re-characterized to ensure that the last thing paid is your assessment. Since you can be foreclosed upon for failure to pay your assessment, this is how they extort management company fees, handling fees, collection fees, attorney fees for things you dispute and never agreed to. Just as your CCRs did not provide for fining, neither did West Cave Estates. You will start receiving "notices of violation" for alleged breaches of other CCR provisions that do not exist. A typical "grab-all" is an 'unsightly articles' clause. They then start making up additional "restrictions" via "resolutions" or "policies and procedures" under the pre-text of aesthetics. The current Property Code (5.006) provides that a party suing to enforce a restrictive covenant gets their attorney fees if they prevail. That innocuous sounding statement ensures that the HOA almost always wins. Courts have interpreted this provision to provide that a party defending such an action cannot collect their attorney fees no matter what. The homeowners very rarely sue first (i.e., "assert") or if they do then rarely is there a restrictive covenant that can be asserted against the HOA. In short, the defending homeowner will never get their attorney fees and the asserting homeowner rarely can by statute. The HOA will get its attorney fees if it prevails. It can prevail by simply driving up the costs of litigation against the homeowner which is what usually happens. Even if the homeowner is legally correct, the defending homeowner typically cannot get any award of attorney fees. The management companies then go in and start proclaiming individuals to be "in violation" - often without being able to identify any specific CCR provision. If you ignore the provision, you do so at risk of losing your home once this priority of payment resolution is adopted. If the HOA sues you, you will have no opportunity to collect your attorney fees while being threatened with the possibility of the HOA attorney's fees. This is used to leverage you into a settlement wholly irrespective of what the CCRs state. If you sue first, you must be willing to forego a large sum of money even though you are correct. If you sue first, the HOA's insurance defense policy kicks in and now you have an HOA attorney that has a well-funded client footing the bill. They will fight you tooth and nail because fining is extremely, extremely lucrative for the management companies and HOA attorneys as a whole. Even if you prevail, your chances of being reimbursed for your attorney are slim because the statute provides only for the party asserting an action to enforce a restrictive covenant to get paid. Guess what? There is no restrictive covenant banning fines, so there is nothing for you to enforce against your HOA. Fining is extremely lucrative for the management companies - especially when you can extort the money out of people by threatening them with the loss of their homes. In other contexts, the Federal Fair Debt Collection Practices Act would prevent a "creditor" from being able to re-characterize your payments. In many states, the FCDPA applies to HOAs. In Texas, however, the FDCPA is deemed not to apply to HOAs. So what happens is, the Boards adopt these policies to your great detriment and against your will. You are bound by virtue of mandatory association. You will find that many of these HOA attorneys tend to be experienced at defending FDCPA claims in Texas as well. This provision of the Property Code completely flies in the face of the owner's property rights and it was designed, promulgated, and utilized by HOA attorneys to extract money from residents wholly irrespective of what the CCRs state and with zero penalty should they be wrong. The neighborhood very quickly goes down from there into a very undesirable place to live. Residents trying to escape by selling their homes aren't exactly going to disclose any of this for fear of driving off prospective purchasers. This is happening in subdivision after subdivision - particularly wherever Alliance Association Management goes. This also generates a very ugly synergy in establishing a corrupt Board. Unfortunately, some people enjoy threatening others with the loss of their home. Private fining through the proxy of an HOA is empowering them with much greater power than any municipality would have over its constituents. These personality types tend to be attracted to positions of control within an HOA. For the Board members the currency of trade is ego and control. The currency of trade for the management company is money. Before you say, "elect another Board", keep in mind who counts the votes and who determines eligibility to vote. Also keep in mind what Board members accomplish through private fining and the ability to threaten residents with the loss of their homes in case anyone dare challenges statements made by Board members or ask for records of the HOA. I hope others will see that this pursuit for the elimination of ugliness is actually quite ugly in its methods and results. You may doubt what I'm telling you or laugh it off today. However, when you experience it you will then understand how insidious private fining is. The management company could care less about the habitability of your neighborhood. The management company only cares about dreaming up new ways to "beautify" your neighborhood in order to extract ugliness fines. This makes your neighborhood a very, very ugly place to live and all of the ugliness is derived from private mandatory association - i.e., HOA. |
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