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View Poll Results: Good location for a new Austin lake?
Yes 8 34.78%
No 11 47.83%
indifferent 4 17.39%
Voters: 23. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 11-07-2015, 10:44 PM
 
Location: central Austin
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What?!! Topsoil is not a naturally occurring substance that is scraped off the bedrock in one place and sold in another! Topsoil is manufactured!! yes, it is most often a manufactured, created mix of substances. It is something that you make, not something that you discover and exploit through removal like a mined mineral. My mind is blown.

AND a typical price for a yard of topsoil is in the $12-18 a cubic yard range, certainly not $30 (and it doesn't matter if you paid $30 a yard for soil, that price includes delivery and other costs.)

Unless you are growing agricultural crops, the entire value of a piece of land is in the location, both macro and micro (drainage, quality of adjacent parcels etc), if you need better topsoil you call up a commercial topsoil manufacturer and get exactly what amendments you need for whatever use you have planned. Even in commercial ag, you work to make the soil what you want it to be rather than discover it. There is no market for soil scraped off lot, certainly not one that would produce a profit after transport.
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Old 11-08-2015, 08:43 AM
 
Location: home
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I think the lake is a great idea.
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:06 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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What?!! Topsoil is not a naturally occurring substance that is scraped off the bedrock in one place and sold in another! Topsoil is manufactured!! yes, it is most often a manufactured, created mix of substances. It is something that you make, not something that you discover and exploit through removal like a mined mineral. My mind is blown.

AND a typical price for a yard of topsoil is in the $12-18 a cubic yard range, certainly not $30 (and it doesn't matter if you paid $30 a yard for soil, that price includes delivery and other costs.)

Unless you are growing agricultural crops, the entire value of a piece of land is in the location, both macro and micro (drainage, quality of adjacent parcels etc), if you need better topsoil you call up a commercial topsoil manufacturer and get exactly what amendments you need for whatever use you have planned. Even in commercial ag, you work to make the soil what you want it to be rather than discover it. There is no market for soil scraped off lot, certainly not one that would produce a profit after transport.
I know, this thread started out whimsical and ended non-sensible. I've never heard of this concept of scraping topsoil off.

If you tried this back in Louisiana you'd end up scraping to the continental floor.
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Old 11-08-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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Overall, it seems like it would be exorbitantly expensive with questionable effectiveness.
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Old 11-08-2015, 11:44 AM
 
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Overall, it seems like it would be exorbitantly expensive with questionable effectiveness.
A 700 ft long dam for a 3 sq mile lake sounds reasonable. The dam at Decker is 8X longer, that lake would be about the same size.

Yes, the topsoil tangent was not necessary. The concept of a lake is the question. This area seems like the only available land left where a lake is feasible, and easily accessible to people close to central city. Lake Travis is just too far out from downtown.

If we couldn't make a lake here, where could we?
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Old 11-09-2015, 09:03 AM
 
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A 700 ft long dam for a 3 sq mile lake sounds reasonable. The dam at Decker is 8X longer, that lake would be about the same size.

Yes, the topsoil tangent was not necessary. The concept of a lake is the question. This area seems like the only available land left where a lake is feasible, and easily accessible to people close to central city. Lake Travis is just too far out from downtown.

If we couldn't make a lake here, where could we?

Where they're already making new lakes. In the lower basin. That way, they can capture what falls even south of the city.

LCRA breaks ground on new reservoir
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Old 11-09-2015, 10:08 AM
 
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Where they're already making new lakes. In the lower basin. That way, they can capture what falls even south of the city.

LCRA breaks ground on new reservoir
That's all the way out Wharton County! If you want to drive 2 hours to a lake, knock yourself out, but you're missing the point.

We're talking about a lake in Austin that can be easily accessed by people living here.
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Old 11-09-2015, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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That's all the way out Wharton County! If you want to drive 2 hours to a lake, knock yourself out, but you're missing the point.

We're talking about a lake in Austin that can be easily accessed by people living here.
In other words, YOU want a lake close to YOU and see a great opportunity in disasters for other people to get one, no matter the consequences to the rest of the neighborhood.
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Old 11-09-2015, 10:33 AM
 
Location: Austin, TX
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A lake there does not effectively control flooding (if you keep it at a recreational level) and would extend the flood plain into areas that are not currently in the flood plain.

If you leave it empty (to control flooding downstream, which isn't useful to the Austin area anyway) it would not extend the flood plain, but you would be better off served by a park area (with no dam) and build a dam downstream in a less expensive/populated area with more capacity.
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Old 11-09-2015, 10:36 AM
 
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That's all the way out Wharton County! If you want to drive 2 hours to a lake, knock yourself out, but you're missing the point.

We're talking about a lake in Austin that can be easily accessed by people living here.
You mean like Town Lake and Lake Austin?
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