two explosions in austin 3/12/18 (Round Rock, Pittsburg: sales, crimes, credit card)

[Trainwreck20]

Umm...you sound a bit 'behind the curve' at the moment? .

[riaelise]

Glad the sumbitch has removed himself from the planet. Sorry that two innocent people died

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by riaelise

Glad the sumbitch has removed himself from the planet. Sorry that two innocent people died

His last heinous act was to shut down I-35 for 6+ hours

[Austin97]

I was not terrorized in the least. The probability of being impacted was as close to zero as any other highly improbable event, lower than getting hit by a drunk driver.

If you changed your behavior one iota, you just fed into the fear.

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by Austin97

I was not terrorized in the least. The probability of being impacted was as close to zero as any other highly improbable event, lower than getting hit by a drunk driver.

If you changed your behavior one iota, you just fed into the fear.

So, you are saying that we should have just opened up an unexpected package instead of calling 911? Historically, I would have picked it up to see if it was mis-delivered, but you think it is dumb that I decided not to touch it during this 'spree'? You think it is dumb to look up and down the street/sidewalk before letting my kids go out to play?

And I think your DWI stat is pretty misleading if not downright wrong. The rate of being killed by a drunk driver (if you are not the driver or in the drivers car) is about 7 per million for the year (state-wide). The bomber killed 2 (in a city of approximately 1 million) in less than a month. That is a rate of 24 per million for the year if he is not caught and assuming no one changes their behavior 'one iota'.

Not to mention that many of the DWI fatalities occur in the wee hours of the morning when most people aren't driving, so as an individual your chances are much lower if the bulk of your driving is during the day (especially rush hours). And most people DO change their behavior while driving to account for bad/drunk drivers - look both ways before entering and intersection after a light changes, watch the driving behavior of cars around you, etc. Sure, it can't necessarily be avoided, but you have some control over the situation and you exercise that control.

The fallacy is that we did not exercise ANY minimizing behavior related to packages prior to the bombings, whereas people DO minimize risk while driving. Simply employing a few minimizing steps until the guy was caught was just common sense. Like, don't go driving around between 12:00 and 4:00 am on New Years Eve.

[CptnRn]

I'm curious who the bomber mailed the 2 FedEx packages to. That's going to be freaky for somebody! Count their blessings that They were not delivered!

[Austin97]

Originally Posted by Trainwreck20

So, you are saying that we should have just opened up an unexpected package instead of calling 911? Historically, I would have picked it up to see if it was mis-delivered, but you think it is dumb that I decided not to touch it during this 'spree'? You think it is dumb to look up and down the street/sidewalk before letting my kids go out to play?

And I think your DWI stat is pretty misleading if not downright wrong. The rate of being killed by a drunk driver (if you are not the driver or in the drivers car) is about 7 per million for the year (state-wide). The bomber killed 2 (in a city of approximately 1 million) in less than a month. That is a rate of 24 per million for the year if he is not caught and assuming no one changes their behavior 'one iota'.

Not to mention that many of the DWI fatalities occur in the wee hours of the morning when most people aren't driving, so as an individual your chances are much lower if the bulk of your driving is during the day (especially rush hours). And most people DO change their behavior while driving to account for bad/drunk drivers - look both ways before entering and intersection after a light changes, watch the driving behavior of cars around you, etc. Sure, it can't necessarily be avoided, but you have some control over the situation and you exercise that control.

The fallacy is that we did not exercise ANY minimizing behavior related to packages prior to the bombings, whereas people DO minimize risk while driving. Simply employing a few minimizing steps until the guy was caught was just common sense. Like, don't go driving around between 12:00 and 4:00 am on New Years Eve.

feel free to change it to just killed by another driver. or any other highly improbable event. Your fallacy is taking my point literally to only compare to drunk drivers. The essence of my point is that the probability was extremely low, not worth worrying about.

On my feed people wrote:

1) their kids cant go play outside
2) they werent going to order anything from amazon, or were having packages delivered to a locker instead of to their house.
3) They were afraid and anxious and were having trouble sleeping from the worry
4) one person left a package in the mailbox for her husband to get because she was afraid to get it

[Trainwreck20]

Originally Posted by Austin97

feel free to change it to just killed by another driver. or any other highly improbable event. Your fallacy is taking my point literally to only compare to drunk drivers. The essence of my point is that the probability was extremely low, not worth worrying about.

On my feed people wrote:

1) their kids cant go play outside
2) they werent going to order anything from amazon, or were having packages delivered to a locker instead of to their house.
3) They were afraid and anxious and were having trouble sleeping from the worry
4) one person left a package in the mailbox for her husband to get because she was afraid to get it

Eh, my post was just pointing out the pointless comparisons that seem to be often made. Such comparisons are not relevant, really. There is a lot more to an 'event' other than just probability, there is the aspect of 'control' and deviation from normal.

That said:
1] Well, we visually 'checked' the area briefly, but kids happily played outside with the neighbors. To some extent, this is a not so far fetched response, though, as kids do not have the ability to process risks and dangers that an adult does. But I didn't know anyone really played outside anymore anyway .
2] We didn't order anything, but we weren't planning to. We would have ordered something, I suppose, if we needed to. We did receive a package, but as it was expected it did not cause concern.
3] This is a bit silly, I think, but some people are just prone to panic/stress.
4] I have heard this from someone else, as well, and it cracks me up - "Honey, get that package, it might blow up and I don't want to touch it". I love you too, honey.....

[BlackberryMerlot]

My cowboy friend is expecting a package from amazon this Friday. He is going to lasso it and drag it around before opening.

[cBach]

Is it me or is something just not adding up about this story? It seems a bit Lee Harvey Oswaldish, where police wanted a suspect "taken out" so they can calm the community back down? I have no doubt that guy was involved, but the resolution seems too "pretty". Usually these cases take months to get to the bottom of.

We still don't know motive, details about the person, what trail of evidence led the detectives to that motel in Round Rock, etc... It just seems like although there are CNN & FOX news trucks there, most of the details are rehashed re-canned details that everyone is reporting. I don't hear any actual details of what detective work was involved.

If it's truly over, they should be able to release the information. Ah what I wouldn't do for 1990's news reporting.