Austin's red light cameras totally unenforceable (office, ticket, rated)

[baytownb]

You mean like when people floor it to clear the intersection so they don't get a SCAMera ticket? Yea, I agree that's bad. Another problem with the SCAMeras. Good point.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Note that it does NOT say "Floor it so that you can get across the stop line before the light turns red," either.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by baytownb

You mean like when people floor it to clear the intersection so they don't get a SCAMera ticket? Yea, I agree that's bad. Another problem with the SCAMeras. Good point.

That's not a problem with the cameras. (You really do sound 12 when you talk like that, by the way.) That's a problem with there not being a test for emotional maturity as part of the criteria for getting a driver's license.

[AlterEgo42]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Note that it does NOT say "Floor it so that you can get across the stop line before the light turns red," either.

Please do a modicum of research on this history of these camera intersections.

[baytownb]

Sure it is, I have observed it over and over again. People react by slamming on their brakes or flooring it to clear the light to try to avoid a ticket. Not that hard to understand when you think about it. Well at least for most people it isn't that hard. Thanks, that means a lot coming from someone who keeps talking when they have been proven wrong over and over again. You really should go back and figure out all of the points you were wrong on before you attempt to take on anything else. Of course an emotionally mature person such as yourself would have apologized or at least acknowledged your many errors in here but I am not holding my breath. It would require a shred of intellectual honesty you are completely incapable of producing. Until then I guess just enjoy being the least informed person on this issue in this thread.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

That's not a problem with the cameras. (You really do sound 12 when you talk like that, by the way.) That's a problem with there not being a test for emotional maturity as part of the criteria for getting a driver's license.

[baytownb]

Won't happen, she's still stuck on "if you don't like red light cameras you must want to run red lights" When the brain is stuck on that floor the elevator can never get to the top. Some issues are just too complex for some people so they have to settle for platitudes or emotional caves to protect themselves.

Originally Posted by AlterEgo42

Please do a modicum of research on this history of these camera intersections.

[AlterEgo42]

Originally Posted by baytownb

Won't happen, she's still stuck on "if you don't like red light cameras you must want to run red lights" When the brain is stuck on that floor the elevator can never get to the top. Some issues are just too complex for some people so they have to settle for platitudes or emotional caves to protect themselves.

Uh... pot, meet kettle.

Seriously. Polarized takes only pushes people to the margins. Grow up.

[Need4Camaro]

Kindly disputing.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Texas Transportation Code 544.007


(e) An operator of a vehicle facing a steady yellow signal is warned by that signal that:
(1) movement authorized by a green signal is being terminated; or
(2) a red signal is to be given.

code (e) reinstates my previous statement that the yellow signal is a WARNING phase that:

#1 right of way is 'being' terminated (but not has BEEN) in the next signal phase (red). There is no statute stating that vehicular traffic crossing a yellow do not have right of way through the intersection. The same applies if someone makes a right turn infront of a car with a yellow traffic light and a collision results, even if the vehicle crossing the yellow sped up, the vehicle making the right turn would still be at fault for failure to yield to right of way.

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Note that it does NOT say "Floor it so that you can get across the stop line before the light turns red," either.

No one instigated this either, this is merely an assumption. If I am casually driving and I approach a yellow and I know I cannot stop for it within reasonable means plainly because I am too close to the intersection, I am not going to try to. This doesnt mean I am speeding up, it just means, I am too close to stop.

HOWEVER

There is also nothing in the law that states it is illegal to speed up to cross an intersection during the yellow phase. The yellow phase contains just as much right of way as green. There was a time where the yellow phase didn't exist, it was only Green and Red but it was difficult to tell when a signal was going to change so drivers ended up running early reds. It was never implemented to slow drivers down, it was only implemented to warn drivers the signal would be changing red soon. Think of it this way, the Yellow signal is really just the last few seconds of a GREEN signal before it turns RED, in legality, thats all it really is.

The only time it is technically illegal to speed up to cross an intersection is if the driver executes excessive accelleration OR exceeds the speed limit.

[baytownb]

Which emotional cave am I in or which platitudes am I clinging to? Or were you saying that I believe that people only oppose red light cameras because they want to run red lights? Or that this issue is too complicated for me? Polarized take? What was that? Hard to figure out which one of those you think apply to me but I would love to hear your theory. Plenty grown up, thanks for asking.

Originally Posted by AlterEgo42

Uh... pot, meet kettle.

Seriously. Polarized takes only pushes people to the margins. Grow up.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by Need4Camaro

Kindly disputing.



code (e) reinstates my previous statement that the yellow signal is a WARNING phase that:

#1 right of way is 'being' terminated (but not has BEEN) in the next signal phase (red). There is no statute stating that vehicular traffic crossing a yellow do not have right of way through the intersection. The same applies if someone makes a right turn infront of a car with a yellow traffic light and a collision results, even if the vehicle crossing the yellow sped up, the vehicle making the right turn would still be at fault for failure to yield to right of way.



No one instigated this either, this is merely an assumption. If I am casually driving and I approach a yellow and I know I cannot stop for it within reasonable means plainly because I am too close to the intersection, I am not going to try to. This doesnt mean I am speeding up, it just means, I am too close to stop.

HOWEVER

There is also nothing in the law that states it is illegal to speed up to cross an intersection during the yellow phase. The yellow phase contains just as much right of way as green. There was a time where the yellow phase didn't exist, it was only Green and Red but it was difficult to tell when a signal was going to change so drivers ended up running early reds. It was never implemented to slow drivers down, it was only implemented to warn drivers the signal would be changing red soon. Think of it this way, the Yellow signal is really just the last few seconds of a GREEN signal before it turns RED, in legality, thats all it really is.

The only time it is technically illegal to speed up to cross an intersection is if the driver executes excessive accelleration OR exceeds the speed limit.

How the heck old are you, anyway? I've been driving in Texas for 54 years now and there have ALWAYS been yellow lights and there were when I was growing up before that and riding in cars.

[AlterEgo42]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

How the heck old are you, anyway? I've been driving in Texas for 54 years now and there have ALWAYS been yellow lights and there were when I was growing up before that and riding in cars.

Totally irrelevant. The yellow light was indeed created by the need for a warning phase before the red.

Yellow is not red. It is not illegal to proceed through an intersection on a yellow light, which is why millions of camera tickets have been found invalid.