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Old 10-25-2008, 04:14 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Evidently, to some it's very important. The problem is that Austin is probably not a good fit for those to whom it's very important, because of the "live and let live" attitude here. Long may it last.
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Old 10-26-2008, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Hutto, Tx
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I agree with most of the posters here. I think it's more important to people moving here from other cities that are probably way more liberal. Austin is a mix of different people who actually don't get into punching matches over different viewpoints... politically anyway. For example, we went to the Circus this year and to us the fact that animals are in it isn't really a big deal (as long as they look healthy and well cared for, which they did). But, of course, there was a good sized group of college students silently protesting and handing out flyers, not yelling at us that we were animal abusers and hateful for going there (like I've seen happen in other cities). They were just handing out information that they thought relavent for people to know. We read it and kept it in mind and went on with our day.
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Old 10-26-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Southwest Austin
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For example, we went to the Circus this year and to us the fact that animals are in it isn't really a big deal (as long as they look healthy and well cared for, which they did). But, of course, there was a good sized group of college students silently protesting and handing out flyers, not yelling at us that we were animal abusers and hateful for going there (like I've seen happen in other cities). They were just handing out information that they thought relavent for people to know. We read it and kept it in mind and went on with our day.
What you describe is what I would call tolerance and respect, in accordance with the live and let live aspects of Austin. The protesters were cordial and polite to you, and you were cordial and polite in return, and you took their literature instead of snubbing them, and you read it. And you still attended the circus. Neither of you expressed distain for the other.

This is the sort of interaction that exemplifies Austin, but I don't think it's "liberal", I think it's old fashioned respect.

That Leslie the cross-dresser is allowed to be an Austin icon, and wear a thong downtown in public, is not a result of Austin liberalism, but more a reflection of its tolerance and openmindedness.

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Related question: Is it important to those considering a move to Austin?
I think the label of "liberal" is in fact more important to those moving here than those who live here. I think the question is often posed because of Austin's unique status as a blue dot in the center a red state. People want to know, "is it really true?" "Will I feel comfotable there?" "Will people like me?"

Steve
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Old 10-26-2008, 02:42 PM
 
Location: Hutto, Tx
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Good points steve. Yes, I guess a lot of it does have to do with basic respect.
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Old 10-26-2008, 03:04 PM
 
Location: SoCal
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I imagine it's more of a concern for people moving to Austin because Texas is such a conservative state. I was VERY worried about moving to Texas because I had never lived in a "red" state before. I don't know many republicans. The ones that I DO know have made racist comments to me. I guess they assume that because I'm straight and look white, that I'll agree with them when they tell me about sitting on the plane next to a brown person and how uncomfortable it made them. Or about not wanting to go to West Hollywood because some "gay" will probably try to grab their ass.

I WILL say that I didn't have to worry. Austin is VERY accepting. I'm sure I'll hear a racist or inappropriate "joke" or remark at some point, but I have in California, Boston, & Chicago too.
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Old 10-26-2008, 03:25 PM
 
Location: Great State of Texas
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Funny..when I my job got transferred 12 years ago and I found out I was moving to Texas the first thoughts about Texas were cowboys, good BBQ and being able to get more than one country music station on the radio

Ah..for the simple pleasures in life !
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Old 10-26-2008, 04:33 PM
 
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I imagine it's more of a concern for people moving to Austin because Texas is such a conservative state. I was VERY worried about moving to Texas because I had never lived in a "red" state before. I don't know many republicans. The ones that I DO know have made racist comments to me. I guess they assume that because I'm straight and look white, that I'll agree with them when they tell me about sitting on the plane next to a brown person and how uncomfortable it made them. Or about not wanting to go to West Hollywood because some "gay" will probably try to grab their ass.

I WILL say that I didn't have to worry. Austin is VERY accepting. I'm sure I'll hear a racist or inappropriate "joke" or remark at some point, but I have in California, Boston, & Chicago too.
I was about to come post the same thing! I wanted to know if Austin was "liberal" before moving here from New England because my perception of Texas (validated by my sister who attended Texas A&M and lived here for nearly 10 years before I moved here) was that much of Texas was VERY conservative. As someone who was liberal even by New England standards, I wanted to know if Austin was actually "liberal" or liberal only in comparison to the rest of Texas.

I absolutely agree with all the pps that it's not so much that Austin is liberal per se, but very "live and let live". For the most part, I don't feel out of place as a very liberal, Democrat, feminist, tree-hugging Unitarian Universalist...but I also think a conservative, Republican, Christian would feel just as welcome. Ausin's cool like that.
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Old 10-26-2008, 04:58 PM
 
Location: Southwest Austin
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For the most part, I don't feel out of place as a very liberal, Democrat, feminist, tree-hugging Unitarian Universalist...but I also think a conservative, Republican, Christian would feel just as welcome. Ausin's cool like that.
That pretty much sums it. And those two might even be good friends who like to walk around Town Lake together on Thursdays. Those of us who've been in Austin 20+ years really don't get it when outsiders have a hard time believing that we really don't give a rat's behind about your predilections. It's how you act and behave and whether you can carry on a decent conversation that matters.

Are people that judgmental everywhere else in the U.S.? I'm starting to be fearful of ever leaving Austin.

Steve
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Old 10-26-2008, 05:37 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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That pretty much sums it. And those two might even be good friends who like to walk around Town Lake together on Thursdays. Those of us who've been in Austin 20+ years really don't get it when outsiders have a hard time believing that we really don't give a rat's behind about your predilections. It's how you act and behave and whether you can carry on a decent conversation that matters.

Are people that judgmental everywhere else in the U.S.? I'm starting to be fearful of ever leaving Austin.

Steve
You're on a roll on this topic, Steve.

And, I don't think (in my personal experience) that people are that judgmental everywhere else in the U.S. Just in some specific places, and the judgmental ones can be conservative, or they can be liberal - the judgmentalism is just the same.

It is weird, though, when you've been in Central Texas (and other parts of Texas, to be perfectly honest) and are used to the live and let live thing, to run into that kind of attitude.
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Old 10-26-2008, 06:06 PM
 
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If you wear a wedding ring or go anywhere with your children, then yes, I do know you're heterosexual without having to ask. IRL, if you have more than 2 or 3 conversations with me, at some point I'm probably going to mention my boyfriend. If that's "pushing my lifestyle" onto others, then so be it.

hahah exactly! people should just be who they want to be and how they want to be without anyone saying anything at all. boyfriend, girlfriend, whatever!
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