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Old 07-16-2009, 01:59 PM
 
Location: Austin
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[SIZE=3]I agree with Brattpowered. Austin is not weird or even particularly liberal. Austin is like just most other cities in America that has a high percentage of college educated citizens living in the city limits. Austin just seems weird to the rest of Texas because for the most part Texas as a whole has a low percentage of college educated citizens or even citizens that graduated from high school. The rest of Texas mistakes educated opinions as being liberal and weird for the most part.
Texas actually has a lower percentage of citizens with high school educations than every other state plus Washington DC.

High school diploma or higher, by percentage (most recent) by state
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:32 PM
 
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Texas actually has a lower percentage of citizens with high school educations than every other state plus Washington DC.

High school diploma or higher, by percentage (most recent) by state
That does not surprise me much; however, I am surprised we are now behind Mississippi. Public education was neglected when George W Bush was Govenor and has been neglected by Perry. Thanks for the new low Perry.
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Old 07-16-2009, 02:34 PM
 
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Texas actually has a lower percentage of citizens with high school educations than every other state plus Washington DC.

High school diploma or higher, by percentage (most recent) by state
It is surprising to see a quasi-socialist state such as CA at #45.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:04 PM
 
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It is surprising to see a quasi-socialist state such as CA at #45.

Using the same site that gave the HS graduation numbers, I notice that California has by far the highest number of English Language Learners of any state. There are 4.424 per 100 in CA, while Texas is number 4, I think, with 2.892. California has almost twice as many as Texas. And what this doesn't tell you is that these kids are from all over the Pacific basin. So the diversity of languages spoken is huge. This is the major problem, I think, that keeps the California educational system in crisis.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:14 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Using the same site that gave the HS graduation numbers, I notice that California has by far the highest number of English Language Learners of any state. There are 4.424 per 100 in CA, while Texas is number 4, I think, with 2.892. California has almost twice as many as Texas. And what this doesn't tell you is that these kids are from all over the Pacific basin. So the diversity of languages spoken is huge. This is the major problem, I think, that keeps the California educational system in crisis.
Both states have a huge problem with legal and illegal low-skilled minorities.....just a fact.....and it brings down hugely what would otherwise be two of the most advanced state economies in the US...if both states become hugely majority minority, they surely can't perform cheap labor for each other....something has to give...perhaps this is the larger reason so many middle-class anglos are fleeing Cal for Texas and other states....will they flee Texas when it manifests the same problems that will inevitably train the Texas coffers the same as cal is being drained now?......

Just a reality we really can't talk about, but one that has the most impact on both states now AND in the near future...
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:49 PM
 
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Both states have a huge problem with legal and illegal low-skilled minorities.....just a fact.....and it brings down hugely what would otherwise be two of the most advanced state economies in the US...if both states become hugely majority minority, they surely can't perform cheap labor for each other....something has to give...perhaps this is the larger reason so many middle-class anglos are fleeing Cal for Texas and other states....will they flee Texas when it manifests the same problems that will inevitably train the Texas coffers the same as cal is being drained now?......

Just a reality we really can't talk about, but one that has the most impact on both states now AND in the near future...

When I made my original post, I was thinking about the hayseeds in Texas that think that the world is only 3,000 years old. These Texas hayseeds are the ones that think Austin is wierd.
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Old 07-16-2009, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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When I made my original post, I was thinking about the hayseeds in Texas that think that the world is only 3,000 years old. These Texas hayseeds are the ones that think Austin is wierd.
Having lived in urban and rural Texas, several parts of it over the past few decades, I can say that this is one of the more ignorant comments I've heard in a long time. (Ignorant as opposed to stupid.) You're clearly taking a stereotype as fact, just as, say, oh, Archie Bunker, did in the old television series, to support your own bias.

You're taking a small number of people out of millions and using them to display your own prejudice against an entire state. That says a great deal more about you than it does about the actual citizens of Texas, as opposed to the ones living only in your imagination.
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:02 PM
 
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Having lived in urban and rural Texas, several parts of it over the past few decades, I can say that this is one of the more ignorant comments I've heard in a long time. (Ignorant as opposed to stupid.) You're clearly taking a stereotype as fact, just as, say, oh, Archie Bunker, did in the old television series, to support your own bias.

You're taking a small number of people out of millions and using them to display your own prejudice against an entire state. That says a great deal more about you than it does about the actual citizens of Texas, as opposed to the ones living only in your imagination.
Who said I was talking about rural Texas? These hayseeds thrive all over the state. Have you spent much time in Midland, Lubbock or for that matter Dallas. Face it, Texas is firmly set in the Bible Belt and Austin is a nice oasis surrounded by ignorance.
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:22 PM
 
Location: Austin
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Who said I was talking about rural Texas? These hayseeds thrive all over the state. Have you spent much time in Midland, Lubbock or for that matter Dallas. Face it, Texas is firmly set in the Bible Belt and Austin is a nice oasis surrounded by ignorance.


That's party true, yet so much more to the story than that.....the sunbelt DOES have a large amount of religious fundamentalism..the name "bible belt" wasn't pulled out of thin air. Texas is a very large part of the same, and may have the most recognizable "mega-congregations" and well known mega-preachers....per the following, just for a taste...

Cookies | Joel Osteen Ministries

Fellowship Church | Home

The Potter's House (http://www.thepottershouse.org/PH_about.html - broken link)

Austin has a few itself....

The Austin Stone Community Church

Shoreline Christian Center Church in Austin, TX

Riverbend Church - Embracing Austin - Home

Calvary Austin

Great Hills Baptist Church

And keep in mind that Austin is supposedly removed from such influences, which is obviously not the case.....Austin has far more "megas" than most would think.....
So, can you translate a large Protestant/Baptist strain, a strain that emotes greatly, and televises all over the nation, to HAYSEEDS?

I really don't think so...its an american thing, and was just as much a part of america when Billy Sunday was screaming at the turn of the century, or the 1800's traveling preachers were "running the circuit"....just an American thing.......BUT, and a big but, they DO have overwhelming influence in the political agenda of the nation, and VERY much were responsible for putting Reagan/Bush in the White House for 20 years, AND maintaining vestiges of the middle-ages like the Death Penalty in Texas..........

Do they personify Texas, much as big oil and such does? Possibly.....but
Texas moves on in spite of the same, and their influence is markedly lessening......

Texas will get rid of that part of itself its OWN self.....and will lead the nation once it jettisons those vestiges of the same...
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Old 07-16-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Did you miss that I said urban and rural Texas?

By the way, I was raised a preacher's kid in East Texas in the 1950's (an area that, if any was going to fit your prejudices, would do so, one would think), and even then, the Texans I knew did not match your stereotype. My father, for example, had me reading Darwin in the 4th grade, and there was no "conflict of interest" at all.

Again, your words are saying much more about you than about Texans or Texas.
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