12-02-2009, 11:50 AM
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. I noticed the cold introverted attitude everywhere in Austin. It really is bizarre.
Are you sure you were't still in the Dallas city limits?
12-02-2009, 03:16 PM
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Nope. I agree with 8080. Austin is more introverted and group and sameness focused.
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Are you sure you were't still in the Dallas city limits?
12-02-2009, 03:26 PM
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Nope. I agree with 8080. Austin is more introverted and group and sameness focused.
If you mean "keepin' it weird" then I agree, but that's what's cool about Austin. I've never met such a Bohemian bunch of people in my life and I don't know what took me so long to get here. You have your "homers" but that's every city. but one thing I like most is they support the local activities in a local way. which is what all cities should do but don't. maybe that's why Austin feels recession-proof right now. And I don't know of many cities where celebrities like to "get away" to. so it must be something if the elite want to hang out here on their down time and make movies here.
12-02-2009, 06:07 PM
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Main Entry:
Bo·he·mi·an
Pronunciation: \-mē-ən\
Function:
noun
Date: 1555
1 a : a native or inhabitant of Bohemia
b : the group of Czech dialects used in Bohemia
2 often not capitalized a : vagabond ,
wanderer ;
especially : gypsy b : a person (as a writer or an artist) living an unconventional life usually in a colony with others
artsyguy, The fact that you say everybody is the
same applies to definition #2 of the word Bohemian. so many writers and artists live here. the culture, to me, is Bohemian is that regard because there's that vibe you get whenever you attend a concert or event. It's a care free INDEPENDENT existence. I've met more independent thinkers in Austin than I have anywhere in the USA.
Let me ask you, where did you go when you were here to meet people?
12-03-2009, 09:18 AM
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...Let me ask you, where did you go when you were here to meet people?
Fair question. Also, Artsyguy, how long did you live here, if you did? Or how long and when did you go to school here? That way we can tell how much exposure you had to certain areas of the city. If you were only visiting for a couple of weekends, for example, maybe you just had the bad luck of having a few isolated incidents that didn't sit right with you. As opposed to someone who lived here for years and has more experience to draw from in forming their opinions.
12-03-2009, 09:49 AM
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A certain someone trolls this board so hard you would think they spent a great part of their life there. But no, 10X the number of posts degrading Austin than actually days lived in the city. Constantly confusing their opinion for cold hard facts and when someone disagrees with them, they are called a liar. Ignored.
12-03-2009, 12:16 PM
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You'll find pockets of eclectic, struggling art and intellect types just about anywhere you go. From the most redneck little towns to the snootiest glistening cities. Being a major college town and music hub, there is indeed a healthy population of them in Austin, though I don't think Austin has more relative to its overall population than most other cities. The main difference is that Austin has a marketing slogan that promotes the bohemian or "weird" aspect of Austin, thus setting up some perceptions or expectations. That's what marketing is all about, really. If you're either inclined towards that lifestyle yourself, or totally averse and perplexed by it, you'll be more likely to notice it through attraction or repulsion. If neither is the case, you might very well not even notice that it exists—or that it's supposed to exist—if not for a marketing slogan.
The true "bohemian" element of Austin isn't always as visible as you might expect. As much as Austin appreciates and embraces the idea of the struggling artist, the core of Austin is becoming too expensive for that type to survive in. Those who are surviving in it seem to be more the older crowd that bought in or inherited property a long, long time ago. If they can scrape together the staggering property taxes to keep things going, they're able to stay. Otherwise, you aren't actually going to see that crowd in the SoCo shopping area. They pop in to drop off things they make to be sold in the shops, but then most of them head back to wherever they live—which more times than not, is not the type of area that fits in with Austin's marketing. Some of Austin's bohemians live in Elgin, Buda, San Marcos, etc.—some of the only places that struggling crafts people, writers, and musicians can actually afford to live. They sure can't afford to live around SoCo, the university, downtown, or even the gentrified areas on the east side anymore. And yes, it's true, some of them—personal acquaintances—have moved to the Dallas area where they can actually afford to "be weird". In Dallas, you can buy a $40,000 to $50,000* 50 year old pier and beam with at least a tiny bit of character in a diverse neighborhood with $1,500/yr property taxes and actually survive on a waiter or part-time children's librarian salary so that you can continue to pursue your art. So yes, there is an aspect of Dallas that is welcoming to that crowd and holds an appeal—the appeal of the possibility of remaining bohemian.
(Hey! I forgot, Edie Brickell and the New Bohemians was formed in Dallas. Not truly substantial, but very mildly amusing—to me. They were part of the Deep Ellum scene and Edie was there for the arts magnet school.)
None of this really explains why people are not as friendly here as you might expect though. Although I do think that the "keep Austin weird" slogan has set unrealistic expectations of friendly eccentrics, welcoming toked up hippies, and endlessly witty cowboy poets hanging around and waving hello from every park bench—all of which do exist but in much smaller quantities than that which the slogan might inspire a visitor to imagine, it's that inspiration, however, that does seem to draw a lot of people who fancy themselves to be of the more individual type. (I count myself among those drawn for those reasons. I drank the Kool-aid myself for a long time—right up until I got my first property tax bill.) The strong individual type just seems to look more inward—is more introverted. That's just their nature in many cases. Don't get me wrong, I married an extremely extroverted eccentric, so I know they exist, but it was the fact that the combination was so unusual that made me take notice of her in the first place.
This is why I don't really get too upset by the fact that people aren't very friendly here. It took me a while to form a theory on why, but it's not really all that personal, I don't think. I think it's just the nature of the type of person that Austin seems to attract due to its reputation for "keeping it weird"—whether the slogan is really that credible anymore or not. I enjoy and appreciate what these creatives and sensitive introverted geniuses bring to Austin. But, having grown up in Texas and being the type of person who never really learned not to talk to strangers, it does frustrate me sometimes to see people act like I just flashed them when I say "hi" while walking the dogs.
As I think about the people that I know who are actually rooted in Austin and have grown up here—and note how friendly they've actually been, though they're the minority, I grow more and more confident in my theory. These people weren't attracted to Austin because it is "weird" or whatever, they are just here. They have no expectation, they aren't drawn because they're of a certain mindset—they're just here and have always been here.
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Oh, and while I'm qualifying statements, let me qualify everything above by saying that yes, all of this is a very, very broad generality. I realize that and am glad of it. There are certainly exceptions.
12-03-2009, 01:17 PM
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Wow. This certainly seems a matter of perspective. We moved here from the Northeast the first time and then back after eight years in Seattle. Austin seems extremely friendly to us. I imagine if you are coming from another part of TX, maybe not. I think it's just what one is used to. In fact, friends of ours just moved back to Boise and cannot believe how rude the people in Boise now seem after a few years in Austin.
It took us about eight months the first time we lived here to make some close friends. In the whole scheme of things, that's not that long, BUT at the time it seemed forever. It was helpful that during the first several months of "friendlessness" the ambient energy of Austin seemed friendly, from pleasant waitstaff and checkout counter help.
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. I imagine if you are coming from another part of TX, maybe not. I think it's just what one is used to.
there is some truth to that statement. I have friends in Dallas and Houston who can't stand the other's city. and they both hate Austin...lol. go figure. they say it's too many hippies in those hills.
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People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)