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Old 07-07-2010, 12:48 PM
 
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No, you do your research. I have some maori blood in me and have some maori friends and family. They confirm this meaning.....as has some literature I have read on the subject.
Did my research..buddy..and you are in the wrong.
By the the tone of posts you seem to be very anti maori
anyways prove to me that pakeha is a derogatory term
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:29 PM
 
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No, you do your research. I have some maori blood in me and have some maori friends and family. They confirm this meaning.....as has some literature I have read on the subject.
In that case you should know that Maori is always capatilised when writing in English.
Maori blood ? iwi, hapu ? whakapapa ?
You read the literature in reo did you ? why do I have my doubts.
Unlike you dear boy I am fluent in reo and you are wrong.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:44 PM
 
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I did mine and yes it is a derogatory term and people should stop using it.
A visitor to NZ and you want to tell the native born what to do.
Best of luck with that dear boy.
Besides, you speak no reo so you would not understand a word I would be saying when I am using that tongue.
Rather sad that I speak more Hawaiian than any US Haole I have meet.
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:50 PM
 
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A visitor to NZ and you want to tell the native born what to do.
Best of luck with that dear boy.
Besides, you speak no reo so you would not understand a word I would be saying when I am using that tongue.
Rather sad that I speak more Hawaiian than any US Haole I have meet.
No and with that attitude I sure would not be interested in learning it either.
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Old 07-07-2010, 07:55 PM
 
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A visitor to NZ and you want to tell the native born what to do.
Best of luck with that dear boy.
Besides, you speak no reo so you would not understand a word I would be saying when I am using that tongue.
Rather sad that I speak more Hawaiian than any US Haole I have meet.
Why would a haole speak Hawaiian? Even if the haole was kama'aina they would not need to know Hawaiian to feel aloha aina. And if you know reo (unlike the MAJORITY of Maori who do not speak reo) you have an advantage in understanding Hawaiian as its the same language grouping.

But we digress from the sujbect of this thread. Some say pakeha is derogatory, some don't. My argument is its used in NZ government communiques so it probably isn't derogatory in its present form. Language does evolve. So quelle surprise, I tend to agree with Rugby.
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:22 PM
 
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The most commonly accepted definition seems to be that 'pakeha' are simply non-Maori which would then broadly refer to the European settlers. How offensive a term is is a personal matter, not one of obscure etymology no one is really sure of anyway. Nz rugby has the personal right not to be called a pakeha, just as any other group has to right to not be called a certain name, but there are some who will disagree with him and it is also their right to have their view respected.
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Old 07-10-2010, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Australia
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Oh, so is that like Aboriginals here and their term for us pale-faced Aussies: White C**t ??
I suppose, in all fairness, the opposite had been used to them on occasion.
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Old 07-10-2010, 09:45 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, BC
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I suppose, in all fairness, the opposite had been used to them on occasion.
I'm sure it has but you wouldn't dare say that as blatantly and openly as they do. To older women, children, on a packed train, crowded supermarket, ...

There was a court case where a girl was charged with a hate crime for calling another girl a 'white c***' but the judge threw it out. As expected, but I doubt the outcome would have been the same had it been in reverse.
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:20 PM
 
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Nzers of fair skin are not Pakehas.
For those that are not aware, this is a word maori people use to describe people of fair skin.
Now the problem is that the translation of the word pakeha means "white flea". If you are happy to be called a white flea then so be it. If not, like most, then the next time you see pakeha on a form or someone says it to you, correct them.

We shouldn't have to put up with this BS.
Isn't the real BS that New Zealanders feel the need to divide themselves up into Maori and Pakeha?
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Old 07-12-2010, 05:43 PM
 
Location: Brisbane, Australia
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Isn't the real BS that New Zealanders feel the need to divide themselves up into Maori and Pakeha?
This might explain why they introduced the "New Zealander" category as an ethnic group identification in the 2006 Census.

Many people are getting sick and tired of these divisions
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