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Old 09-20-2010, 04:29 PM
 
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It doesn't matter whether the Maori only predate Europeans by a small margin, they still have indigenous people rights. I don't like it any more than the rest of you but while they have the Treaty of Waitangi they will continue to hold the rest of the NZ people to ransom and demand special privileges.

Here's some history;

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M%C4%81ori
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Old 09-20-2010, 06:29 PM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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It doesn't matter whether the Maori only predate Europeans by a small margin, they still have indigenous people rights. I don't like it any more than the rest of you but while they have the Treaty of Waitangi they will continue to hold the rest of the NZ people to ransom and demand special privileges.

Here's some history;

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I don't really consider 500 years a small margin at all. But like you say, that's besides the point.

What kind of special privileges are they demanding?
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Old 09-20-2010, 07:41 PM
 
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I don't really consider 500 years a small margin at all. But like you say, that's besides the point.

What kind of special privileges are they demanding?
They basically come along to some prime real estate on the beach or in a city and say "hey 400 years ago my 10th great uncles brothers mothers grandmother said this was a sacred place". The NZ government goes "oh okay, here's $60 million dollars and the land".

It's absolutely preposterous.
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Old 09-20-2010, 10:16 PM
 
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They basically come along to some prime real estate on the beach or in a city and say "hey 400 years ago my 10th great uncles brothers mothers grandmother said this was a sacred place". The NZ government goes "oh okay, here's $60 million dollars and the land".

It's absolutely preposterous.
Although you're probably exaggerating a bit I get the point. Kind of reminds me of how in Australia you self-identify as an aboriginal (after all, for those without much aboriginal blood it can be hard to prove it).
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Old 09-20-2010, 11:24 PM
 
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Although you're probably exaggerating a bit I get the point. Kind of reminds me of how in Australia you self-identify as an aboriginal (after all, for those without much aboriginal blood it can be hard to prove it).
Well I was keeping it simple, but if you delve into it and read up on it, you'll find plenty of examples right on the money about what i described. And you'll also find that a lot of prime real estate is suddenly "sacred" sites and people have their hand out. There is one case up in Northland recently where some prime beach property is now suddenly a long forgotten "sacred" site.

At some point the NZ has to grow a pair and say "send us the invoice" so it can be paid and people can move on. It's not 1850 anymore. Those people are long dead and buried and forgotten for many generations now and anything that was relevant to them is irrelevant now.
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Old 09-21-2010, 03:05 AM
 
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Well I was keeping it simple, but if you delve into it and read up on it, you'll find plenty of examples right on the money about what i described. And you'll also find that a lot of prime real estate is suddenly "sacred" sites and people have their hand out. There is one case up in Northland recently where some prime beach property is now suddenly a long forgotten "sacred" site.

At some point the NZ has to grow a pair and say "send us the invoice" so it can be paid and people can move on. It's not 1850 anymore. Those people are long dead and buried and forgotten for many generations now and anything that was relevant to them is irrelevant now.
Yeah, I wonder how much of it is out of some claimed reverence for culture/ancestors (I'm not denying many are geniune) instead of pure opportunism.
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Old 06-13-2014, 04:02 PM
 
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It think it's time for New Zealand to mature and put aside the treaty, time to start treating everyone as equals.
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Old 02-17-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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Wil have to agree to disagree ....Maori are in fact immigrants to NZ, and have not been in NZ that much longer than Europeans. I can trace some of my family in Europe farther back than Maori arrival in NZ.
When did Maoris arrive in NZ?
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Old 02-19-2016, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Eastern Sydney, Australia
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When did Maoris arrive in NZ?
A thousand years give or take. Why bring up an 2 year old thread though???
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