The utter hypocrisy of Aus and NZ republicans (salary, live)

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Originally Posted by Trimac20

Let that be up to the English people.

We are halfway across the world from Britain. We're no longer 'Little Britain' (or rather Big Britain) in the Southern Hemisphere.

Doesn't worry me. If they put forward a sensible alternative I'd support it. So far they've only offered to replace an apolitical head of state with a political one. I'll pass on that.

[artemis agrotera]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

The utter hypocrisy of NZ and Aus republicans.
They are all the same types with no moral courage, if they want to do away with the monarchy and ALL trappings that go with it at least have the moral courage to spell out what those differences will be.

A president like Germany's ?
Are they prepared to tell blokes awarded the Victoria Cross that it will be replaced with a bit of tin bearing the name of the latest politician ?

what is this drivel?

[Mornnb]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

We are halfway across the world from Britain. We're no longer 'Little Britain' (or rather Big Britain) in the Southern Hemisphere.

But, Britain is still part of our history, and there is no reason to run away from our history, as if we were ashamed of it.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by Mornnb

But, Britain is still part of our history, and there is no reason to run away from our history, as if we were ashamed of it.

Who said anything of being ashamed of our history? Britain is still an inseparable part of our history whether we're a CM or a Republic. In some ways I'm an Anglophile myself. This is about nationhood, not wanting to distance ourselves from our past. The Queen herself said she would fully support Australia's decision to become independent, as would most British people. We'd still welcome them as much as we always have. For the record I would still want to keep our flag, the Union Jack has some historical significance and I don't mind that being a reminder.

I'm not really a strong Republican. I mean I wouldn't really care all THAT much if we never became one, but it would certainly be nice to see.

[nzrugby]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

Which dark orifice did you pull that one out of? Yeah first thing we'll do is to steal those VC's from all those old diggers and their families.

What hypocrisy are you talking about? I'd very much like to hear why you think republicans are hypocrites. Trappings? Commonwealth nations that have become republics still have a lot of those trappings - membership in the Commonwealth, participation in the Commonwealth games.etc.

I don't know what the new system will be like. Probably not too dissimilar to what we have now, instead of the Queen we may have a President as ceremonial head of state.

If you want to have a tampon as a king that's fine , but back up your assertions with facts my kiwi friend!

Some information for you with you knowing nothing about the military.
All other countries that became Republics dumped the VC, GC.
Old diggers, what a couple of blokes in their late twenties ?
Going and telling SNCOs and Warrant Officers that they are no longer 6RAR but are to be named after the latest politician who has promised the most to some to raise electoral money would go down.
Kiwi, sorry dear boy I also have convict nationality.

[sulkiercupid]

Australia and New Zealand are de facto republics as it is. Any move to a republic would just seal the deal.

Its not necessary that the Victoria Cross medal, or other awards would need to be replaced if either country were to become a republic, there are more important points worth considering such as the role of the head of state, means of appointment etc.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

Some information for you with you knowing nothing about the military.
All other countries that became Republics dumped the VC, GC.
Old diggers, what a couple of blokes in their late twenties ?
Going and telling SNCOs and Warrant Officers that they are no longer 6RAR but are to be named after the latest politician who has promised the most to some to raise electoral money would go down.
Kiwi, sorry dear boy I also have convict nationality.

I'm not sure who decides about the awarding of the VC and other mlitary awards but I'm sure the UK and Aus can come to some kind of arrangement. Obviously the UK would have to be in agreement, of course, since they ultimately give out the award (if not the Queen than the GG). Either way, a few accolades for a handful of solidiers isn't exactly something I'm even factoring in. I'm not sure whether too many people would care.

I hope we're not involved in any more wars anytime soon anyway.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by sulkiercupid

Australia and New Zealand are de facto republics as it is. Any move to a republic would just seal the deal.

Its not necessary that the Victoria Cross medal, or other awards would need to be replaced if either country were to become a republic, there are more important points worth considering such as the role of the head of state, means of appointment etc.

Definitely. I've not heard any good argument for retaining the monarchy other than sentimentality and loyalty towards the Crown. Once those old ladies with portraits of the Queen are gone I don't see much love for a monarchy.

[nzrugby]

Originally Posted by Trimac20

I'm not sure who decides about the awarding of the VC and other mlitary awards but I'm sure the UK and Aus can come to some kind of arrangement. Obviously the UK would have to be in agreement, of course, since they ultimately give out the award (if not the Queen than the GG). Either way, a few accolades for a handful of solidiers isn't exactly something I'm even factoring in. I'm not sure whether too many people would care.

I hope we're not involved in any more wars anytime soon anyway.

Are you Aussie born ? you seem to lack any knowledge of Australian history.
Nope, you are wrong, dump the monarchy dump the high awards along with the Australian regiment no longer being the Royal Australian Regiment.
That would not matter some would say, but that will be one of the first weapons monarchists would use.
Not involved in any war, must tell my nephew that as he is enjoying the fleshpots of Afghanistan.

[Trimac20]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

Are you Aussie born ? you seem to lack any knowledge of Australian history.
Nope, you are wrong, dump the monarchy dump the high awards along with the Australian regiment no longer being the Royal Australian Regiment.
That would not matter some would say, but that will be one of the first weapons monarchists would use.
Not involved in any war, must tell my nephew that as he is enjoying the fleshpots of Afghanistan.

What does being Aussie born have to do with knowing Australian history? I came here as a baby so I went to school with all the other Aussie born kids. I probably know more about Australian history than most. Most Aussies don't know specific things like that anyway. You're a kiwi, so it's not like you can really talk.

I don't give a rat's arse about that, when compared to the big things. There are more important things than the republic and monarchy, but as far as the republican debate goes the VC doesn't even rate for most people. Most people are not going to be eligible to win a VC. It's just some accolade anyway, it doesn't made you a superior human being. Nor do things like knighthood or receiving a birthday card from the Queen on your 100th birthday. Who bloody cares?