Make NZ passports ten years to get (real estate, houses)

[BCC_1]

Originally Posted by mikeandikes77

It works the same way in the EU too. There aren't that many people going to Bulgaria and there won't be too many going to the Balkans but plenty to France and Italy.

That just created an underclass of Eastern Europeans working for below the minimum wage in Western Europe. Poles in the UK are held in about the same regard as Mexicans are in the US.

Originally Posted by mikeandikes77

The Trans-Tasman Agreement is already lopsided in favor of Australians going to New Zealand. New Zealand grants full permanent resident rights to Australians; Australia only grants limited rights to New Zealanders and they DO have to queue up for a special category visa.

I doubt too many would care if Australians only got the standard 90 day visa to NZ that other nationals get.

Originally Posted by mikeandikes77

New Zealand and Australia have a shared history, culture and even accents. Why NOT treat them less like foreigners? There are less than 5 million people in New Zealand. Australia has been trying to carefully increase it's population by about as much for years. I don't understand the undercurrent of hatred and bizarre xenophobia in this thread. It just so happened that all of you were born and raised a hundred miles west of a country you could have been born in instead. Is there some recent statistic proving that New Zealanders are conspiring to rob Australia blind of benefits and jobs? Or is this one last conservative push out of fear of an increasingly integrated world? When I meet a Kiwi, I personally feel a connection to that. I think it's important.

I think you're seeing hatred and xenophobia where it doesn't exist. Australia is in the enviable position of being able to pick and choose who it lets into Australia, it's not desperate for migrants. All I'm saying is let Kiwis compete in the same pool as all other migrants. Alternatively, they can choose to join the Commonwealth.

[nzrugby]

Originally Posted by mikeandikes77

It works the same way in the EU too. There aren't that many people going to Bulgaria and there won't be too many going to the Balkans but plenty to France and Italy.

The Trans-Tasman Agreement is already lopsided in favor of Australians going to New Zealand. New Zealand grants full permanent resident rights to Australians; Australia only grants limited rights to New Zealanders and they DO have to queue up for a special category visa.

They're doing this all over the world. Even in South America, Argentina, Brazil, and I think Paraguay all allow their citizens to go to each others country and work without employer sponsorship; they just need to apply for temporary residence, and they're usually granted it. India and Nepal allow citizens of each others countries to live and work in the other. The Compact of Free Association allows Micronesian, Palauan, and Marshall Island citizens to live and work in the US, and vice versa for US citizens. And of course there's the EU.

New Zealand and Australia have a shared history, culture and even accents. Why NOT treat them less like foreigners? There are less than 5 million people in New Zealand. Australia has been trying to carefully increase it's population by about as much for years. I don't understand the undercurrent of hatred and bizarre xenophobia in this thread. It just so happened that all of you were born and raised a hundred miles west of a country you could have been born in instead. Is there some recent statistic proving that New Zealanders are conspiring to rob Australia blind of benefits and jobs? Or is this one last conservative push out of fear of an increasingly integrated world? When I meet a Kiwi, I personally feel a connection to that. I think it's important.

With most Australians the term xenophobia is normally followed by please explain by them.

It is sad that too many Australians are happy to see children born of Kiwi parents denied specialised medical treatment in Australia on the state.
Of course if you ask those Australians if the kids' Kiwi parents are paying taxes they will then say but the children and parents are different so they have not earned the right to the medical care needed.

[BCC_1]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

It is sad that too many Australians are happy to see children born of Kiwi parents denied specialised medical treatment in Australia on the state.
Of course if you ask those Australians if the kids' Kiwi parents are paying taxes they will then say but the children and parents are different so they have not earned the right to the medical care needed.

Fail, again.

Medicare

New Zealand citizens living permanently in Australia are eligible for Medicare provided they can prove they have entered Australia long-term or permanently and can supply 100 points of proof of their identity (see ‘Proof of identity’ section above).
To prove that they live in Australia long-term or permanently, New Zealanders need to produce documents such as a purchase or lease agreement for a property, gas/electricity accounts in the same name or an employment contract. For further information contact Medicare Australia.
People who are eligible for Medicare get free public hospital treatment and free or subsidised treatment from doctors, as well as access to subsidised pharmaceuticals.

Health entitlements for New Zealanders | Living in Australia | New Zealanders overseas | Australia | NZEmbassy.com

[nzrugby]

Originally Posted by BCC_1

Fail, again.

Health entitlements for New Zealanders | Living in Australia | New Zealanders overseas | Australia | NZEmbassy.com

Nope, I did say specialised care, Most of Australia believes the Kiwi taxpayer should pick up the tab for some Australian born kids.
Or should we do like a lot of Aus does and refuse treatment to Australian born kids in NZ ?

http://ondemand.tv3.co.nz/Campbell-L...3/Default.aspx

[BCC_1]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

Nope, I did say specialised care, Most of Australia believes the Kiwi taxpayer should pick up the tab for some Australian born kids.
Or should we do like a lot of Aus does and refuse treatment to Australian born kids in NZ ?

Thursday April 12, 2012 - Campbell Live - news/current affairs - On Demand - TV3

What "specialised medical treatment" is that family requesting by the mother asking, and being denied, for a carer's allowance?

This is just another reason why the issue of Kiwis living in Australia needs to be resolved. I feel for the family, but really, you live somewhere for nine years, have several children but don't ensure that you have something better than a flimsy visa that you arrived on. Australia is not New Zealand and New Zealand is not Australia.

[BeauCharles]

Originally Posted by nzrugby

Nope, I did say specialised care, Most of Australia believes the Kiwi taxpayer should pick up the tab for some Australian born kids.
Or should we do like a lot of Aus does and refuse treatment to Australian born kids in NZ ?

Thursday April 12, 2012 - Campbell Live - news/current affairs - On Demand - TV3

Interesting. This is one area in which the US is very liberal. All children born in the US, even to illegal immigrants or foreign tourists, are automatically citizens. Its often abused ("anchor babies" is the term), but its the law.

[MsAnnThrope]

As a born NZer living in Aus for over half my life, I loathe everything about NZ.

I am embarrassed to be one, have no national pride whatsoever. The entire place has such a chip on it's shoulder it makes me cringe. I hate it when kiwis come up to me and act like we have something in common - we don't. They try to create some false sense of "mateship" that was never there when I actually lived in NZ.

Kiwis and Australians are profoundly different. Kiwis often hate Australians for no other reason than they believe a ridiculous stereotype...doesn't stop them trying to come over and bludge when they want a better standard of living though.

[nzrugby]

Originally Posted by BCC_1

What "specialised medical treatment" is that family requesting by the mother asking, and being denied, for a carer's allowance?

This is just another reason why the issue of Kiwis living in Australia needs to be resolved. I feel for the family, but really, you live somewhere for nine years, have several children but don't ensure that you have something better than a flimsy visa that you arrived on. Australia is not New Zealand and New Zealand is not Australia.

Specialised treatment for deafness in kids,now these are AUSTRALIAN born kids so it should not be up to NZ to treat them when both both parents are working and paying taxes in Aus.
Oh, should we treat AUSTRALIAN born children in NZ on NZ taxpayers money ?

[nzrugby]

Originally Posted by BeauCharles

Interesting. This is one area in which the US is very liberal. All children born in the US, even to illegal immigrants or foreign tourists, are automatically citizens. Its often abused ("anchor babies" is the term), but its the law.

OK to be fair both NZ and Aus changed their laws to stop women arriving having a Aussie or Kiwi child and then arguing that it would be most unfair to toss them as citizens out of the country.

Hell I cannot see how a child conceived in Mexico from Mexican parents can be an American just because they were born in the USA.

[Joe90]

Originally Posted by MsAnnThrope

As a born NZer living in Aus for over half my life, I loathe everything about NZ.

I am embarrassed to be one, have no national pride whatsoever. The entire place has such a chip on it's shoulder it makes me cringe. I hate it when kiwis come up to me and act like we have something in common - we don't. They try to create some false sense of "mateship" that was never there when I actually lived in NZ.

Kiwis and Australians are profoundly different. Kiwis often hate Australians for no other reason than they believe a ridiculous stereotype...doesn't stop them trying to come over and bludge when they want a better standard of living though.

It sounds as though the chip is on your shoulder. I've heard this comment before, but I don't really get a sense of it.

There might be some individuals that have the attitude you described, but for most people I know, things don't go beyond the underarm/sheep jokes. There does seem to be a increasing trend for the media to hype up a sense of rivalry with Australia though, to the point of ridiculousness.