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Old 05-20-2012, 03:22 PM
 
Location: Sunshine Coast, BC
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Let's keep to the topic please. The thread's not about the Irish or Ireland.


Thank you.

 
Old 05-20-2012, 03:30 PM
 
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I'm starting to have doubts about your Irish status Bob. Ireland was where I picked up the phrase, particularly down in the South West part. Early in the day it was invariably the B & B 's greeting where we stayed. Perhaps they were of a lower social status than you Bob, or maybe your not Irish at all.
dont take my word for it , register at boards.ie and start a thread in the after hours section , you,l get your answer pretty quick

as for the locals you heard saying it , probabley the same kind of tourist providers who milk stereotypes for all thier worth , kitsch sells

actually , scratch that , here is your answer


http://wiki.answers.com/Q/Where_does...#39;_come_from
 
Old 05-20-2012, 05:09 PM
 
Location: Hawkes Bay NZ
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Did you read the last paragraph Bob? (This is about NZ Vichel. Promise!)
 
Old 05-20-2012, 05:23 PM
 
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Did you read the last paragraph Bob? (This is about NZ Vichel. Promise!)

wouldnt want to see a kiwi make a fool of themselves by thinking top of the mornin to ye is common parlance over here , apparently the saying originated in new zealand so in a way the post is relevant to this forum
 
Old 05-20-2012, 05:58 PM
 
Location: Hawkes Bay NZ
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Bob, you still didn't read the last para of that URL you posted. It states that the saying is not from NZ but although it may not be in vogue now, it originated in Ireland.
Look - lets drop this! Sweeping generalisations about New Zealand is unfair. If I thought that generally any nationality were "thin skinned and smug" I wouldn't say so as it amounts to an insult to that country, place or section of society that was being discussed.
 
Old 05-20-2012, 06:07 PM
 
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Bob, you still didn't read the last para of that URL you posted. It states that the saying is not from NZ but although it may not be in vogue now, it originated in Ireland.
Look - lets drop this! Sweeping generalisations about New Zealand is unfair. If I thought that generally any nationality were "thin skinned and smug" I wouldn't say so as it amounts to an insult to that country, place or section of society that was being discussed.

new zealanders are well fit to speak bluntly , they are a pretty hard bunch , why cant i
 
Old 05-21-2012, 12:16 AM
 
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[quote=irish_bob;24380811]ireland had a 0-0 draw with leichenstien ( population 30,000) in a qualifying match for euro 1996 back in 1995 , ireland beat italy at the 1994 world cup , one match counts for nothing , the all whites are a minnow , its stretching credibility to say they punch above thier weight , perhaps if they focused more on soccer than rugby they might feel more part of the world , soccer being a global game and all[/quote

Soccer, as one all white player said those who play soccer in NZ are those who fail the physical for the chess team.
We prefer elegant violence.

Rugby, elegant violence - YouTube
 
Old 05-21-2012, 12:43 AM
 
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It's odd that when I travelled around Ireland in 2007 I never encountered anybody as difficult as Irish Bob. Maybe he's from Northern Ireland where I didn't go. I found they were really nice people.

Ok, Irish Bob, Just as an example ,lets have a look at the Olympics 2008.
On the basis of 5 pts for a gold, 3 pts for a silver and 1 pt for a bronze. Divide by the population at that time gives this:-
1st Netherlands Antilles 15.00
2nd Jamaica 14.75
3rd Bahamas 11.76
4th Iceland 9.38
5th Norway 6.67
6th Slovenia 6.50
7th Bahrain 6.33
8th Estonia 6.15
9th Australia 5.97
10th Mongolia 5.93
11th New Zealand 5.35
23rd Great Britain 2.40
45th Ireland 1.11
47th USA 1.07
67th China 0.26
90 India 0.01
Thanks Alex, I'll take "Ways to manipulate statistics to prove a point, for $2,000".
 
Old 05-21-2012, 05:50 AM
 
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ireland had a 0-0 draw with leichenstien ( population 30,000) in a qualifying match for euro 1996 back in 1995 , ireland beat italy at the 1994 world cup , one match counts for nothing , the all whites are a minnow , its stretching credibility to say they punch above thier weight , perhaps if they focused more on soccer than rugby they might feel more part of the world , soccer being a global game and all[/quote

Soccer, as one all white player said those who play soccer in NZ are those who fail the physical for the chess team.
We prefer elegant violence.

Rugby, elegant violence - YouTube

i didnt realise that sport is not sport unless it involves violence , what a facile arguement , would you regard rafael nadal , tiger woods , usain bolt or michael phelps as not being tremendous athletes and sports men

the kiwi jokes aimed at soccer get a bit tedious after a while , the majority of the globe doesnt give a crap about rugby , as a game , i think its ok , a good game of rugby is exciting in parts but overall i see it as quite boring , stop start , stop start , its a conservative and follow the rules strictly kind of game , its funny you mention chess , i think rugby is a lot like chess in many ways , soccer is a much more free spirited and rebelious game
 
Old 05-21-2012, 07:43 AM
 
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i didnt realise that sport is not sport unless it involves violence , what a facile arguement , would you regard rafael nadal , tiger woods , usain bolt or michael phelps as not being tremendous athletes and sports men

the kiwi jokes aimed at soccer get a bit tedious after a while , the majority of the globe doesnt give a crap about rugby , as a game , i think its ok , a good game of rugby is exciting in parts but overall i see it as quite boring , stop start , stop start , its a conservative and follow the rules strictly kind of game , its funny you mention chess , i think rugby is a lot like chess in many ways , soccer is a much more free spirited and rebelious game
yeah its good to watch soccer when the players take a dive
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