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Non whites coming into NZ, oh the horrors, I look around Sydney and surprise surprise lots of non whites.
Only NZ trained nurses are well trained, thanks for that laugh.
NZ is rapidly becoming a forth world country, yet those who leave and run NZ down are happy to leave their parents to the hell that NZ is.
Why do you who leave believing NZ is on the road to hell not take your parents with you ?
I'm sure the yank government would be happy to give them medicare.
Or are your parents not important to you ? you would rather they were looked after by the NZ taxpayer in a old peoples home by untrained Filipino nurses ?
On the contrary, IMO any NZr who is aware of the facts should be very insecure indeed, especially if they have growing children who they hope will remain in the country after schooling, or have any decent standard of living in the future.
A personal comparision - I met and married a country boy in Aus. We decided to move, because if we had children in this particular country town, we realised they would eventually have to leave too, if they wanted higher education. So, we left and went to a city they could easily access that, before they were even born. We didn't want our future kids to have to move away just to get a job/degree.
Of course we have never looked back. The particular town we were in was a gold mining town and it's been mined dry. Fast forward 20 years the place is now a ghetto full of the unemployed, with a few stalwarts clinging on to their shops and other small business, trying to keep the place alive.
I see great similarity and lack of foresight in NZrs. The country is going backwards. The contrast in standard of living between the haves and have nots is staggering and I have seen massive erosion in the morale of my friends and loved ones over the last 23 years. If the country only rewards the bludgers, and doesn't reward those who study and incur debt to improve themselves, only a fool would not see that sooner or later there's going to be an imbalance.
Fact - as the title of this thread suggests, Kiwis are leaving in record numbers. The country is in trouble, and NZers are not helping themselves by refusing to acknowlege it.
It's easy to let the predictions of people like you fail - it just requires patience. The upcoming years will provide the refutation of your arguments. The idea that one has to move away to get a degree is pure garbage.
Your particular misanthropy (towards NZ) is just prejudiced ranting, and nothing more.
Non whites coming into NZ, oh the horrors, I look around Sydney and surprise surprise lots of non whites.
Only NZ trained nurses are well trained, thanks for that laugh.
NZ is rapidly becoming a forth world country, yet those who leave and run NZ down are happy to leave their parents to the hell that NZ is.
Why do you who leave believing NZ is on the road to hell not take your parents with you ?
I'm sure the yank government would be happy to give them medicare.
Or are your parents not important to you ? you would rather they were looked after by the NZ taxpayer in a old peoples home by untrained Filipino nurses ?
I started reading your reply and thought. Hooray.. Good on you rugby
Then you had to bring the US in on it yet again.. Lol
. Thread title is kiwis heading to Oz, not the US
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I would say they are responding to the labour market, but there are other reasons as well. People have always been one of our greatest exports. Giving other people a chance isn't a bad thing either.
People here (for the most part) get that our economy is struggling to maintain our standard of living. I don't think the country is about to embark on another grand experiment in socialism though. Talk is easy, but actual solutions are harder. Getting rid of protectionist policies in other countries, would be a great help to NZ. Flying the free trade banner as we do, is hard work.
It's not that your links aren't useful. They fail to provide greater context.
Id take notice if it said EVERY HOSPITAL in NZ..
Or Every nurse
The link talks of a few locations and her experience on the matter is limited to one nurse.
You dont need much of a brain to know not to make a blanket judgement on an entire country based on a link that is not useful and on the experience of one acquaintance.
Chicken little the sky isnt falling, NZ isnt falling apart because of Filipino nurses and all those other dark skinned people walking around Auckland.
It's easy to let the predictions of people like you fail A kiwi who got away, you mean?
- it just requires patience. NZ has been going steadily backwards since the EEC was formed.
The upcoming years will provide the refutation of your arguments.*
The idea that one has to move away to get a degree is pure garbage.
That's not what I said. I used the "degree in a country town in Australia" as a metaphor for "getting a decent paying job in NZ"...your children generally have to move away to achieve this.
Your particular misanthropy (towards NZ) is just prejudiced ranting, and nothing more
It is impossible to be prejudiced against your own clan. Further, speaking the truth as I see it, may make NZers uncomfortable as you all prefer to be complacent...but in no way can you define my opinions as a "rant". What I'm about to say now is probably considered a rant too - so be it.
Everything I've said has been a response to a response I've had on here. I would welcome some intelligent discussion on the current NZ society from some kiwis, but all I'm getting is knee-jerk insults and denial.
When I moved to Australia the biggest cultural shock I got is that people actually spoke out about things and their government listened. The Australian public is a force to be reckoned with, whereas NZers on the whole tend to follow the leader. They do not have a questioning nature. This is why your country will one day (within my lifetime I predict) cede to Australia. It is actually economically unviable as a country, and always has been, but your politicians (like pollies everywhere) are concerned with keeping the status quo while filling their own pension funds. NZ is like a once-great company that is now being run on bare bones by the greedy over lords.
This may be perceived as a rant, but I have the benefit of distance and can see clearly through the eyes of my loved ones exactly how much further NZ society as a whole has deteriorated in 23 years...yet here you all are, disputing facts and figures, throwing insults, instead of having an intelligent discussion. This is because what I say is making you feel very uncomfortable indeed. You know at some level that it's true.
My brother finally came over to Australia from NZ last year after years of thinking like you...blind patriotism. He was absolutely gob smacked at the benefits which immediately began flowing from our lucky country. For years I have been telling him, for years he has been dismissing every fact or statistic, exactly as my detractors on this thread. Now he's here and he is horrified he didn't come over years ago - he could possibly be retired by now if he had, that's how much different his earnings are here.
If I was racist, I would be saying "too bad" but I genuinely wish things had been run differently since I've been gone. People I know and care about suffer needlessly. Alcohol is cheaper than petrol for Gods sake! Since when has that been a smart way to run a country?
*The New Zealand economy has recently been perceived as successful...However, New Zealand income levels, which used to be above much of Western Europe prior to the deep crisis of the 1970s, have never recovered in relative terms...Income inequality has increased greatly, implying that significant portions of the population have quite modest incomes. Further, New Zealand has a very large current account deficit of 8–9% of GDP...New Zealand's persistent current account deficits have two main causes. The first is that earnings from agricultural exports and tourism have failed to cover the imports of advanced manufactured goods and other imports (such as imported fuels) required to sustain the New Zealand economy. Secondly, there has been an investment income imbalance or net outflow for debt-servicing of external loans. The proportion of the current account deficit that is attributable to the investment income imbalance (a net outflow to the Australian-owned banking sector) grew from one third in 1997 to roughly 70% in 2008.[24]
LOL it appears as though Australia owns NZ anyway...
Non whites coming into NZ, oh the horrors, I look around Sydney and surprise surprise lots of non whites.
Only NZ trained nurses are well trained, thanks for that laugh.
NZ is rapidly becoming a forth world country, yet those who leave and run NZ down are happy to leave their parents to the hell that NZ is. Why do you who leave believing NZ is on the road to hell not take your parents with you ?
I'm sure the yank government would be happy to give them medicare.
Or are your parents not important to you ? you would rather they were looked after by the NZ taxpayer in a old peoples home by untrained Filipino nurses ?
You mean the parents who have poured income tax thanklessly into NZ for 60+ years? As well as blindly supporting the place all their lives? This is the treatment you would give the elderly who are FAITHFUL to NZ? Nice one.
You mean the parents who have poured income tax thanklessly into NZ for 60+ years? As well as blindly supporting the place all their lives? This is the treatment you would give the elderly who are FAITHFUL to NZ? Nice one.
Well dear girl if you are going to rant that NZ is hell on earth the question will come up, what sort of person would leave their parents to be shoved into an old peoples home to be looked after by the well tanned who are all untrained ?
Or is that good enough for one or both of your parents ?
I find it highly amusing the numbers of children who argue that their parents home should not be sold to take care of their parents needs in old age as the children argue they need the money for European trips.
Only the lazy shove their parents into old peoples homes, the rest of us have them at home.
Finally, if you have parents or a parent in NZ who you cannot bother caring for why should we non-relatives care ?
I never said that, quite the opposite actually...and I wasn't RANTING. Just because you don't like what I say, doesn't make it a rant.
the question will come up, what sort of person would leave their parents to be shoved into an old peoples home
huh? Why would that come up when discussing the NZ economy?
to be looked after by the well tanned who are all untrained ?
Or is that good enough for one or both of your parents ?
How do you know I've even GOT parents?
I find it highly amusing the numbers of children who argue that their parents home should not be sold to take care of their parents needs in old age
Did you accidentally post this on the wrong thread? This is a NZ emigration thread?
as the children argue they need the money for European trips.
They do?
What has that got to do with the NZ economy?
Only the lazy shove their parents into old peoples homes,
Sweeping judgement call.
the rest of us have them at home.
on the moral high ground.
Finally, if you have parents or a parent in NZ who you cannot bother caring for why should we non-relatives care ?
Eh? Since when was this thread about my parents? Or anyones? Or whether you care about them or not?
And you say I'm the one ranting.... Typical reaction, instead of an intelligent debate I get more knee-jerk insults and yet another swerve off subject.
/\ one reaps what one sows. What fictional book was that from?
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