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Old 03-23-2013, 10:31 AM
 
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Difference of Opinion - 12/02/2007: How do you define Australian values?

I know this transcript is from a fairly old show, but I remember little Johnny banging on about how immigrants should embrace Australian values/culture, and always thought it was a rather vague term.

Things like mateship, giving everyone a fair go, tolerance.etc...these are universal values, I don't see how Australia has any greater claim on them than any other nation. I think a lot of the myths of mateship, going back to the Anzac legend, like to portray Australian friendship as something uniquely special when the same could be said for any nation around the world.

The way I see it, Australian culture is still basically an offshoot of British culture with a bit of Irish, Italian and other immigrant culture mixed in. We have meat pies, bushrangers and Banjo Patterson, but I don't think we have a truly defined culture of our own yet.

I used to feel more protective about 'Australian culture' but now I realise most of it is a bit of a show. I mean if you talk about giving people a fair go, Australia didn't give the aborigines or immigrants a fair go for all these decades. I'm proud to be Australian, but I don't see Australia as better than anywhere else, or feel we are morally better, and I think our society is built from the contribution of immigrants from all over the world. There's precious little influence from the aboriginal culture, though. It would be nice to see more of it but it seems it's a bit too late for that.
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Old 03-23-2013, 02:54 PM
 
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Difference of Opinion - 12/02/2007: How do you define Australian values?

I know this transcript is from a fairly old show, but I remember little Johnny banging on about how immigrants should embrace Australian values/culture, and always thought it was a rather vague term.

Things like mateship, giving everyone a fair go, tolerance.etc...these are universal values, I don't see how Australia has any greater claim on them than any other nation. I think a lot of the myths of mateship, going back to the Anzac legend, like to portray Australian friendship as something uniquely special when the same could be said for any nation around the world.

The way I see it, Australian culture is still basically an offshoot of British culture with a bit of Irish, Italian and other immigrant culture mixed in. We have meat pies, bushrangers and Banjo Patterson, but I don't think we have a truly defined culture of our own yet.

I used to feel more protective about 'Australian culture' but now I realise most of it is a bit of a show. I mean if you talk about giving people a fair go, Australia didn't give the aborigines or immigrants a fair go for all these decades. I'm proud to be Australian, but I don't see Australia as better than anywhere else, or feel we are morally better, and I think our society is built from the contribution of immigrants from all over the world. There's precious little influence from the aboriginal culture, though. It would be nice to see more of it but it seems it's a bit too late for that.
Yes, migrants had such a hard time here for all these decades . They are pretty much the majority in Sydney and it is far easier to buy sushi than meat pies here.

I fear this thread is going to turn into yet another "we Australians are so racist" self-hating, white-bashing rant. Sigh
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Old 03-23-2013, 07:40 PM
 
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Not another one of these threads. Haven't you started about 10 threads that are all about the same?
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:12 PM
 
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No what other threads?

I was hoping for a serious discussion on this topic.
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Old 03-23-2013, 09:47 PM
 
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No what other threads?
Here's one. I'm not going to dig through the 1800 threads you have started to find more. Australian moral superiority
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Old 03-24-2013, 12:34 AM
 
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Here's one. I'm not going to dig through the 1800 threads you have started to find more. Australian moral superiority
Okay that's one other. That's really about it.
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Old 03-24-2013, 07:46 AM
 
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Difference of Opinion - 12/02/2007: How do you define Australian values?

I know this transcript is from a fairly old show, but I remember little Johnny banging on about how immigrants should embrace Australian values/culture, and always thought it was a rather vague term.

Things like mateship, giving everyone a fair go, tolerance.etc...these are universal values, I don't see how Australia has any greater claim on them than any other nation. I think a lot of the myths of mateship, going back to the Anzac legend, like to portray Australian friendship as something uniquely special when the same could be said for any nation around the world.

The way I see it, Australian culture is still basically an offshoot of British culture with a bit of Irish, Italian and other immigrant culture mixed in. We have meat pies, bushrangers and Banjo Patterson, but I don't think we have a truly defined culture of our own yet.

I used to feel more protective about 'Australian culture' but now I realise most of it is a bit of a show. I mean if you talk about giving people a fair go, Australia didn't give the aborigines or immigrants a fair go for all these decades. I'm proud to be Australian, but I don't see Australia as better than anywhere else, or feel we are morally better, and I think our society is built from the contribution of immigrants from all over the world. There's precious little influence from the aboriginal culture, though. It would be nice to see more of it but it seems it's a bit too late for that.
The Australian national myth is a kind of masculine and rural one and doesn't at all reflect the everyday life of most people here whatever their backgrounds. It serves to maintain a sense of national pride, but I sense we don't really have a strong identity, though we were once loyal subjects of the British Empire.

Like most of the world Australia is moving towards a global village, I think strong national identities are on the wane in general.
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:10 AM
 
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Have you joined a dating website yet Trimac?
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Old 03-24-2013, 03:37 PM
 
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Have you joined a dating website yet Trimac?
OMG I concur. See we have things in common!
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Old 03-24-2013, 08:59 PM
 
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Have you joined a dating website yet Trimac?
Been there done that. They discourage me.
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