Stopping foreigners using NZ as a stepping stone to Aus.

[Battleneter]

Originally Posted by noeducc11

Unless Australia have an import labour policy like the UAE & other gulf countries or freedom of movement policy of the EU(where there are wealthier and poorer countries), that's the only way Australia can get cheap labour. Japan has a shortage of cheap labour as it has a strict immigration policy.

lol Aus doesn't get cheap labor from NZ, the cross section of Kiwis that make a move would pretty much match the Aus work force from low to high skilled and they are not payed less . You are confusing immagration from low skilled less educated countries to 1st world countries.

Originally Posted by makaraka66

Australia and ANZUS is rather amusing, Australia believes it will help in twenty years time when the Chinese come south to grab all of Australia's minerals at no cost to China. And the mug Aussie politicians believe that the USA will help Australia, the yanks would get into a nuke tossing contest with China for the sake of Australia, not going to happen.

Well actually the US is obligated to help, but its never going to happen anyway. The US would also act if NZ was threatened from China due to a variety of strategic reasons, but never going to happen.

Apart from issues with a few neighbors I don't see China as a particularly aggressive nation, and certainly a far cry from the way the Western Media portrays them.

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by Battleneter

Well actually the US is obligated to help, but its never going to happen anyway. The US would also act if NZ was threatened from China due to a variety of strategic reasons, but never going to happen.

Apart from issues with a few neighbors I don't see China as a particularly aggressive nation, and certainly a far cry from the way the Western Media portrays them.

Yup. China doesn't have any historical or present cultural interest in expansion beyond what they see as part of their historical realm - namely Taiwan and some tiny rocks in the East China Sea - where people have historically spoken a Sino-Tibetan language. It's a silly thing to worry about. When they want something they just buy it - lock, stock and barrel.

It's also silly to think the US wouldn't send the 4th & 7th fleets steaming in if anything happened in this part of world. Just the fact that the 7th fleet is permanently deployed to Japan should be proof enough. If that's not enough there's the entire 2nd Division of the US Army stationed in South Korea and 1000 US Marines in Darwin.

If the US can commit resources to Libya or Georgia there's no way it would allow an invasion of Aus or NZ.

[drive carephilly]

Originally Posted by Battleneter

The US is somewhat of a different scenario, Mexico for example is a developing nation where NZ is largely a wealthy devolved 1st world nation where most immigrants are at least as educated and westernised as mainstream Australians or at least that's what the OECD rankings tell us.

I wasn't talking about NZ'ers coming to Australia - i'm well aware of NZ's status in the OECD. I'm just talking about general attitudes about immigration.

Mexico is a developing nation in the sense that Romania or Uruguay are developing nations which is to say - They're not really developing at all. They've had well developed infrastructure for a long time - they're just not rich. They've had a big set back over the last 10-15 years with the narco-wars but still, I've been to parts of northern Louisiana that are just as 3rd world as anything that Mexico could dish up.

The problem isn't so much that you can work in the US illegally and send good money home to Mexico but that it's the poorest of Mexican society (and the Salvadorans and Guatemalans who transit through Mexico) who wind up staying.

[Battleneter]

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

Yup. China doesn't have any historical or present cultural interest in expansion beyond what they see as part of their historical realm - namely Taiwan and some tiny rocks in the East China Sea - where people have historically spoken a Sino-Tibetan language. It's a silly thing to worry about. When they want something they just buy it - lock, stock and barrel.

It's also silly to think the US wouldn't send the 4th & 7th fleets steaming in if anything happened in this part of world. Just the fact that the 7th fleet is permanently deployed to Japan should be proof enough. If that's not enough there's the entire 2nd Division of the US Army stationed in South Korea and 1000 US Marines in Darwin.

If the US can commit resources to Libya or Georgia there's no way it would allow an invasion of Aus or NZ.

Yep I agree could not have said it better. The US is largely just posturing against the Chinese, and certainly the Chinese are somewhat guilty of doing the same , but there is no threat to Aus/NZ.

Originally Posted by drive carephilly

I wasn't talking about NZ'ers coming to Australia - i'm well aware of NZ's status in the OECD. .

Ah fair enough, its actually pretty hard to draw other comparisons to Aus/NZ relationship in respect to immigration pattern. Canada is large enough to provide good opportunities so there is no significant net loss to the US. Ireland with the UK has some similar elements but not really close enough to directly compare.