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Please report it. I didn't realise calling a topic boring and a complete beat up was against the ToS. You're really trying to turn a mountain out of a molehill with this thread. Instead of just accepting it has to do with a declining jobs market in Australia you've instead reached some bizarre conclusions. And you seem to get personally offended when others don't believe every word you say.
Its off topic and bordering on personnel attack , but no big drama!
To be VERY clear, there has never been this level of exodus out of Australia in your or my life time!.
You are engaging me to deflect the topic, but not offering any tangible explanations.
Am I suggesting Australia suddenly sucks?, NO, stop being so defensive!
Its off topic and bordering on personnel attack , but no big drama!
So report it. I don't think it's anywhere near being a personal attack, but try your luck.
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You are engaging me to deflect the topic, but not offering any tangible explanations.
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In any event someone on here already has explained the reason as being related to the unwinding of the mining boom which makes a bit more sense than floods and earthquakes and feeling unwelcome.
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People go where the work is. Who would have ever thought.
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You're really trying to turn a mountain out of a molehill with this thread. Instead of just accepting it has to do with a declining jobs market in Australia you've instead reached some bizarre conclusions. And you seem to get personally offended when others don't believe every word you say.
So report it. I don't think it's anywhere near being a personal attack, but try your luck.
(I highlighted the important bits just for you)
Not sure how much more tangible you want.
Conflict aside , Sorry missing it, what's the reasoning, all kiwis are miners?. Once again Australia's headline unemployment rate is not that horrific how bad do you think it is?
Conflict aside , Sorry missing it, whats the reasoning, all kiwis are miners?
Jobs are hard to come by in AU and NZ has relatively better job market. I'm pretty sure that's what everyone here is saying except you.
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Once again Australis headline unemployment rate is not that horrific how bad do you think it is?
Pick and choose much? Aren't you the same guy who says Australia's unemployment print is BS because of the low participation rate. I guess whatever helps win the argument ay?
Jobs are hard to come by in AU and NZ has relatively better job market. I'm pretty sure that's what everyone here is saying except you.
Once again as stated before, Australia's unemployment rate has been higher with significantly lower levels of outflow, sorry I don't except your explanation, simply doesn't add up, sorry you don't like what is occurring , its outside my control.
Once again as stated before, Australia's unemployment rate has been higher with significantly lower levels of outflow, sorry I don't except your explanation, simply doesn't add up.
(lookout! confirmation bias above!)
If you really care that much, go back to pre-boom and compare the steady state flow of labour. Then compare it against the boom years, then compare it to today. Then regress it against wages in AU and NZ and some measure of relative ue, possibly one that captures participation rate because, as you say, Kiwi expats have a significantly higher participation rate. Then I'll talk turkey. My guess is that the difference between wages and relative employment is the determining factor and the current flow is not statistically significant. Until then we're all just talking out of our backsides, although I still agree with the majority that this has more to do with jobs than anything else.
Go back to pre-boom compare the steady state flow of labour. Then compare it against the boom years, then compare it to today. Then regress it against wages and some measure of relative ue, possibly one that captures participation rate because, as you say, Kiwi expats have a significantly higher participation rate. Then I'll talk turkey. My guess is that the difference between wages and relative employment is the determining factor and the flow is not statistically significant. Until then we're all just talking out of our backsides, although I still agree with the majority that this has more to do with jobs than anything else.
I won't hold my breath.
I hear what you are saying, however are the English abandoning Aus in the same relative numbers?, how about the Chinese?
What, you want me to be overly dramatic and say Australia is screwed?, I am actually being balanced and simply saying Australian policy is effecting what is occurring. The Aus economy is not that bad ! (geese talk about being shot down for being fair)
You may be happy about it!, or not, but lets not pretend something new is not occurring!
I hear what you are saying, however are the English abandoning Aus in the same relative numbers?
We're not talking about the UK or "England".
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I am actually being balanced and simply saying Austrlaian policy is effecting what is occurring. The Aus economy is not that bad
And all I'm asking is to show that's not the natural ebb and flow of an open labour market as we've all suggested. You're making the argument the null hypothesis (that it's related to the jobs market) is incorrect. So prove it wrong. If you do, I'll be the first to eat humble pie.
So, since the early 1990's Australia has had a higher ue rate (with a lower participation rate but higher and faster rising wages) than NZ. The period since about 2008 has been an outlier that is now reversing with a significantly lower rate in Australia than NZ. It doesn't seem all that surprising that there is change in migration patterns.
Your main argument is employment is the reason Kiwis are heading home, the UK economy has ALSO picked up in recent times, its actually a relevant comparison.
At some point, Australia need to step up to the plate and be the big brother it should be, and say "yes we have been dicks to NZ".....................................or not I suppose denial is a option!
Your main argument is employment is the reason Kiwis are heading home, the UK economy has ALSO picked up in recent times, its actually a relevant comparison.
At some point, Australia need to step up to the plate and be the big brother it should be, and say "yes we have been dicks to NZ".....................................or not I suppose denial is a option!
Ahh we get to the crux of it. You could have come out and said that in your op. Goodnight.
And FWIW, if the UK and AU had the same free flow of labour as AU/NZ, which it doesn't, I imagine the picture would look the same.
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