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Old 08-13-2018, 06:01 PM
 
Location: Brisbane
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The Aussies are likely worried that the Canadian experience might be something that they could face as well -- that the Mexicans could arrive as tourists without visas (potential hurdle removed) and then try to lodge a refugee claim, which will almost certainly be rejected, while in country.

Canadians have to get e-visas in advance of boarding flights to Australia. I don't know if that's the same kind of visa these Central and South American people have to get, but if it is, then they should take no offense.
The rules for Mexicans also apply to every country between Germany and Japan. ETA's are only issued to USA and Canada, a couple of east asian countries and most western European ones. As stated even some member states of the EU require the same visas as Mexicans.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:04 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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A single instance of abuse is one too many. Western countries have standards and laws, which should be applied and enforced, for a reason.
So why not just ban Mexicans altogether then? - one of them might steal a crunchie, and that would be one abuse too many.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:04 PM
 
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The Aussies are likely worried that the Canadian experience might be something that they could face as well -- that the Mexicans could arrive as tourists without visas (potential hurdle removed) and then try to lodge a refugee claim, which will almost certainly be rejected, while in country.

Canadians have to get e-visas in advance of boarding flights to Australia. I don't know if that's the same kind of visa these Central and South American people have to get, but if it is, then they should take no offense.
I checked this just moments ago. The Aussies give Canadians the option of selecting a 601 subclass visitor visa, but Mexicans are offered only the 600 subclass visitor visa. If Canadians select the 601 subclass visa, which permits the holder to stay in Australia up to three months, they are charged nothing for it (other than a $20 online processing fee). Mexicans, on the other hand, pay a minimum of $140 (that fee can go as high as $1020) for the 600 subclass visa, which permits a stay of three, six or 12 months. (Canadians can also select the 600 subclass visa if they want to stay in Australia for longer than three months.)

I imagine this has everything to do with wanting to discourage the lodging of frivolous refugee claims and/or overstaying, whether that concern is real or imagined. The Aussies expect that Canadians will go home. They might not expect that people from less developed countries will return home quite as reliably.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:18 PM
 
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So why not just ban Mexicans altogether then? - one of them might steal a crunchie, and that would be one abuse too many.
If the Mexicans making the trip can afford the cost of a 600 subclass visa, perhaps they're less likely to try and lodge a frivolous refugee claim and/or to overstay. It might also be the case that 600 subclass visa applications are scrutinized and/or less likely to be automatically approved in ways that 601 subclass visas are not. These are just guesses, I'll allow, but America excepted, well-run Western countries don't tend to throw up roadblocks these days for no real reason.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:21 PM
 
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The rules for Mexicans also apply to every country between Germany and Japan. ETA's are only issued to USA and Canada, a couple of east asian countries and most western European ones. As stated even some member states of the EU require the same visas as Mexicans.
There you go. And I'd imagine this is because it's assumed that nationals of these countries are by experience or by expectation going to go home at the end of their trips to Australia.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:26 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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If the Mexicans making the trip can afford the cost of a 600 subclass visa, perhaps they're less likely to try and lodge a frivolous refugee claim and/or to overstay. It might also be the case that 600 subclass visa applications are scrutinized and/or less likely to be automatically approved in ways that 601 subclass visas are not. These are just guesses, I'll allow, but America excepted, well-run Western countries don't tend to throw up roadblocks these days for no real reason.
As I said, it doesn't seem to be an issue in NZ.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:33 PM
 
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As I said, it doesn't seem to be an issue in NZ.
With respect, I don't think that New Zealand is likely perceived, rightly or wrongly, to offer the opportunities that Australia does. The US, Canada, and Australia are perceived to be the "first, second, and third" of advanced English-speaking nations when it comes to perceptions of potential refugees and/or potential emigrants (although some Australians might suggest, and I don't know how quick I would be to dispute the suggestion, that Australia offers better opportunities than Canada).
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:37 PM
 
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There you go. And I'd imagine this is because it's assumed that nationals of these countries are by experience or by expectation going to go home at the end of their trips to Australia.
The British and Americans (USA) are actually right up with the Chinese and indians for overstaying visas.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:40 PM
 
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The British and Americans (USA) are actually right up with the Chinese and indians for overstaying visas.
Would volumes/percentages tell a different story, though? They could well do, but I don't know.

As mentioned up thread, I have no time for immigration abuses, but most people, public servants included, aren't as extreme as me when it comes to such matters.
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Old 08-13-2018, 06:41 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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With respect, I don't think that New Zealand is likely perceived, rightly or wrongly, to offer the opportunities that Australia does. The US, Canada, and Australia are perceived to be the "first, second, and third" of advanced English-speaking nations when it comes to perceptions of potential refugees and/or potential emigrants (although some Australians might suggest, and I don't know how quick I would be to dispute the suggestion, that Australia offers better opportunities than Canada).
If there had been even a few cases in NZ of it happening, then one could expect it to happen in Australia at a greater frequency, but I think the fact that it hasn't happened in NZ, is very relevant.

Canada is right next to the US, so it makes sense to be an issue for them.

Australia policy is just a bit xenophobic and paranoid -that's why NZers need a visa to go there.
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