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Old 08-20-2018, 11:12 PM
 
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Most Aussies wouldn't be phased or concerned in the least if NZ reduced entitlements to non-PR Aussies living in NZ. They'd probably be surprised to hear that they'd currently be entitled to welfare without first being granted PR status.
Exactly.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:13 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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How can it be irrelevant? It's the social context within which governments make decisions, and NZ is more of a left leaning social welfare state. Most Aussies wouldn't be phased or concerned in the least if NZ reduced entitlements to non-PR Aussies living in NZ. They'd probably be surprised to hear that they'd currently be entitled to welfare without first being granted PR status.

International relations between two countries defined principally by non PRs access to welfare is a pretty hollow relationship. Aren't issues like trade, investment, security and defence, or access to labour markets far more significant?
Enough with the Marxist manifesto stuff! It's the Kiwi sense of a "fair go" at play here -any Australian living and paying taxes in NZ for twenty years, would receive flood damage assistance, like anyone else. That's just one example.

That's no longer the Australian way though.
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:19 AM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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No, it implies that the average NZer has lived or worked in Australia at some point. I could be wrong, but if 15% of the NZ population currently live in Australia it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch to assume that about half the population have lived and/or worked in AU at some point.



I understand that your complaint is that it's not equal, but you're relying on rights that Australians don't exercise. It's a political issue in NZ because such a substantial portion of the population live, or have lived, in Australia. It's a non-event in Australia because so few Australians exercise that right. If it were to be taken away tomorrow which country would lose more? NZ gets access to a much larger job market with higher wages. Those are pretty good tangible benefits.
Australia would lose more - It takes more from the NZ economy, than NZ takes from Australia's economy..
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:54 AM
 
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Australia would lose more - It takes more from the NZ economy, than NZ takes from Australia's economy..
More what? People?
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Old 08-21-2018, 07:14 AM
 
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I know..I know, a Mexican raieped your dawg and you vote Trumph
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Old 08-21-2018, 01:10 PM
 
Location: Top of the South, NZ
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More what? People?
People and money -NZers take their wealth to Australia, and can pay taxes for many years, without being able to claim benefits, or receive assistance when they need it.

Definitely a win for Australia.
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Old 08-21-2018, 04:20 PM
 
Location: Vancouver, BC
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If NZ wants to ditch the TransTasman treaty and sign on with Canada instead, I would be for it It looks as though Australia is moving in the wrong direction socially for my tastes from what I am reading on here.
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Old 08-21-2018, 05:57 PM
 
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If NZ wants to ditch the TransTasman treaty and sign on with Canada instead, I would be for it It looks as though Australia is moving in the wrong direction socially for my tastes from what I am reading on here.
That is a good idea. Australia is after all like Trump USA and NZ is like Canada.
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Old 08-21-2018, 08:16 PM
 
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That is a good idea. Australia is after all like Trump USA and NZ is like Canada.
I wouldn't go that far but it seems at least presently and in general that the NZ and Canadian governments seem more ideologically aligned.
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Old 08-21-2018, 11:24 PM
 
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I wouldn't go that far but it seems at least presently and in general that the NZ and Canadian governments seem more ideologically aligned.
Not really. We have Ardern-light in Canada, if you can even call Trudeau that. For my taste, Trudeau is bad enough. Ardern, on the other hand, is a moonbat.
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