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That is very typical of the kind of thinking that so-called progressives use all the time.
The vast majority of the far right do not practice hate politics, any more than the vast majority of the far left in this country practice communism.
Don't start about Mr 9 votes, he is so bad that both Hanson and Katter are keen to distance themselves from him.
However to answer your question yes I do think both groups are as bad as each other. I stumbled upon one of those left vs right rallies once when I was a stay at home dad. I watched with interest, fully expecting I would be behind the left, yet left thinking they are all just extremists with far more in common with each other than they would ever admit.
Then they are not likely to be Hard Right, then are they? Just where do you get your information from.
The Hard Right platform, world wide, remains very similar. A distrust of outsiders. Blaming of outsiders, for the woes occurring within the country. A stress on nationalism, often to religious proportions, detesting any cultural mixing of races, .......I could go on but seriously .....
Do understand the difference between Democratic Socialism and Communism ?
So called Progressives are not called for nothing progressive. They in general seek out a fairer, more equitable place for as many as possible. Your tone suggests you have a problem with that?
]Then they are not likely to be Hard Right, then are they? [/b]Just where do you get your information from.
The Hard Right platform, world wide, remains very similar. A distrust of outsiders. Blaming of outsiders, for the woes occurring within the country. A stress on nationalism, often to religious proportions, detesting any cultural mixing of races, .......I could go on but seriously .....
Do understand the difference between Democratic Socialism and Communism ?
So called Progressives are not called for nothing progressive. They in general seek out a fairer, more equitable place for as many as possible. Your tone suggests you have a problem with that?
No they are not, and i am glad you know that. As for where I get my information from, in 2019 we have situations, where people like Chelsae Clinton are accused of inciting the terrorist attack that occurred in NZ because she dared to criticise a Mulsim Congresswomen, for making remarks she believed were anti-semitic.
Things like that are repeated over and over again in 2019, and it makes people forget what true hate politics is. The fact is the true hard right is actually very rare in Australia.
I would consider people who seek out a fairer, more equitable place for as many as possible, to be liberal, not progressive. I think you would be hard pressed to find many people n Australia who would disagree with that general statement, and I am certainly not one of them. The problem is how do you achieve it?
I said most so-called progressives, which was maybe the wrong way to put it. What I should say there are lots of people out there who like to call themselves progressive but are actually not, maybe "so called" progressive, would be the better way of putting it.
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No they are not, and i am glad you know that. As for where I get my information from, in 2019 we have situations, where people like Chelsae Clinton are accused of inciting the terrorist attack that occurred in NZ because she dared to criticise a Mulsim Congresswomen, for making remarks she believed were anti-semitic.
Things like that are repeated over and over again in 2019, and it makes people forget what true hate politics is. The fact is the true hard right is actually very rare in Australia.
I would consider people who seek out a fairer, more equitable place for as many as possible, to be liberal, not progressive. I think you would be hard pressed to find a person in Australia who would disagree with that general statement, and I am certainly not one of them. The problem is how do you achieve it?
I said most so-called progressives, which was maybe the wrong way to put it. What I should say there are lots of people out there who like to call themselves progressive but are actually not, maybe "so called" progressive, would be the better way of putting it.
One of those gotcha moments, hence hardly a matter of me knowing that. Not a cleaver proposition on your part to pair Right and Left together in the first place.
That doesn't explain your information source. Fox news for example is way out there in divorced of ant pretence of balanced media. Many sources are.
Who accused Clinton of inciting a terrorist attack? Anti Semitic speech leading to mosque attacks ? Doesn't that sound a little bizarre to you? Well what I allegedly repeat , is not disputed by you to my knowledge, and fail to see any alternative view of credence being put forward.
So you feel The Liberal Party of Australia, is the party seeking a fairer society? Please do enlighten me by telling me that works exactly?
Yes the name Liberal, suggests that, but the Liberal Party of Australia, has long moved away from the 'common good' and Menzies time of helping the 'battler', it would in todays parlance be equating the UK Tories , or Conservative Party, meaning a party of business interests persuading a well published agenda of increasing limited returns.
I doubt many in Australia would use the term progressive, or even fully understand what it means. What I do think is increasing numbers are questioning the rate of knots Australia has changed, largely negatively, over a relatively short period, with no apparent direction forwards but platitudes.
in 2019 we have situations, where people like Chelsae Clinton are accused of inciting the terrorist attack that occurred in NZ because she dared to criticise a Mulsim Congresswomen, for making remarks she believed were anti-semitic.
Yes it was pitiful, but that is the loving left even turning on their own in the name of intersectional social justice. As I said earlier, even the relatively moderate left are falling into this phenomena. It's hard work being woke these days.
I'm not sure it is fair to say the RBA has failed miserably given the principle objective of monetary policy is to achieve inflation targets. They have been very successful in that task over an extended period of time.
And yes while the RE industry may well exert influence over Government, I commented on their influence over the RBA, which as you know and has been well demonstrated, is independent of the Government.
No. It is very fair to point the finger at RBA, which introduced excessive stimulatory rates never seen before. I can't really fathom why that obvious point of fact has apparently escaped your attention.
The fact was I will never tire of discussing it, besides knowing a bit about it, being rates were lowered to rates never seen before (3 to 4%) if your wondering. Result obviously the fuelling of double digit house inflation.
This resulted in the advent of the 40 year mortgage entering the market, as an option regardless of final take up over, it remains on offer within the market but probably for possible future use rather than present with falling house prices and mortgage sellers under scrutiny, well the finance industry in general, for extremely shoddy service , to put it mildly.
A result of this being, the most serious, obviously, is the over inflated housing market and outcomes, is endangering of financial stability and damaging the economy.
Yes it was pitiful, but that is the loving left even turning on their own in the name of intersectional social justice. As I said earlier, even the relatively moderate left are falling into this phenomena. It's hard work being woke these days.
But at least the word love will never be associated with the right, which may just give you the link, you prefer to over look in attempting cheap digs at the left.
What you wrote before was of course completely senseless. Social justice is but that. A denial and attempts to belittle and 'turn around' those with a desire to improve society and working to make a better/fairer place for all to inhabit and thrive should be the calling of al government. Not for the few. Very simple unless having an ideologically encrusted mindset that is so encumbered as to be unable to move forward in rational thought.
One of those gotcha moments, hence hardly a matter of me knowing that. Not a cleaver proposition on your part to pair Right and Left together in the first place.
That doesn't explain your information source. Fox news for example is way out there in divorced of ant pretence of balanced media. Many sources are.
Who accused Clinton of inciting a terrorist attack? Anti Semitic speech leading to mosque attacks ? Doesn't that sound a little bizarre to you? Well what I allegedly repeat , is not disputed by you to my knowledge, and fail to see any alternative view of credence being put forward.
So you feel The Liberal Party of Australia, is the party seeking a fairer society? Please do enlighten me by telling me that works exactly?
Yes the name Liberal, suggests that, but the Liberal Party of Australia, has long moved away from the 'common good' and Menzies time of helping the 'battler', it would in todays parlance be equating the UK Tories , or Conservative Party, meaning a party of business interests persuading a well published agenda of increasing limited returns.
I doubt many in Australia would use the term progressive, or even fully understand what it means. What I do think is increasing numbers are questioning the rate of knots Australia has changed, largely negatively, over a relatively short period, with no apparent direction forwards but platitudes.
Good gravy champ, you are really clutching at straws now. You clearly have not read the link I posted to support my own view, which actually addresses the very matter of how an unbalanced media forms political opinions and can incite extremism. It specifically mentions fox, and MSNBC as sources of the problem.
You clearly did not bother reading it, Weather that because you dont want to, or dont know how to is the question. I will go for the former, but the later seems to be becoming a distinct possibility.
You know very well this is an American forum, and any reference to liberalism, has nothing to do with the Australian liberal party. Which as you correctly pointed out has not been truly liberal in a long time.
Good gravy champ, you are really clutching at straws now. You clearly have not read the link I posted to support my own view, which actually addresses the very matter of how an unbalanced media forms political opinions and can incite extremism. It specifically mentions fox, and MSNBC as sources of the problem.
You clearly did not bother reading it, Weather that because you dont want to, or dont know how to is the question. I will go for the former, but the later seems to be becoming a distinct possibility.
You know very well this is an American forum, and any reference to liberalism, has nothing to do with the Australian liberal party. Which as you correctly pointed out has not been truly liberal in a long time.
Well you appear to be well aware what I know, but I remain befuddled as to what you know.
I am not particularly interested in links, but did humour you and read the Brisbane newspaper columnist.
But thing being it is his interpretation. What exactly is yours? The other 'link' appeared not to work. Never mind , put it in your words the message you wish to give out.
What I know is this is the Australian section of an American based forum. I lot of what I discussed can be open to contribution by an international audience. Others matters are more local knowledge focused, as one may reasonably expect by including such international forums.
What I correctly done, of course, was to remind you that the Liberal Party of Australia, is not a liberal party by any normal accounts but a Tory Party , to which you seem to agree,
But most of all, trying to pump a little 'life' ,into these threads which do give indication of stagnation at times.
Well you appear to be well aware what I know, but I remain befuddled as to what you know.
I am not particularly interested in links, but did humour you and read the Brisbane newspaper columnist.
But thing being it is his interpretation. What exactly is yours? The other 'link' appeared not to work. Never mind , put it in your words the message you wish to give out.
What I know is this is the Australian section of an American based forum. I lot of what I discussed can be open to contribution by an international audience. Others matters are more local knowledge focused, as one may reasonably expect by including such international forums.
What I correctly done, of course, was to remind you that the Liberal Party of Australia, is not a liberal party by any normal accounts but a Tory Party , to which you seem to agree,
But most of all, trying to pump a little 'life' ,into these threads which do give indication of stagnation at times.
If you actually did read the link (which you clearly did not) you would know the author has no connection what so ever to Brisbane, to quote.
"Matthew Knott is a journalist for The Sydney Morning Herald and The Age based in the United States"
But at least the word love will never be associated with the right, which may just give you the link, you prefer to over look in attempting cheap digs at the left.
What you wrote before was of course completely senseless. Social justice is but that. A denial and attempts to belittle and 'turn around' those with a desire to improve society and working to make a better/fairer place for all to inhabit and thrive should be the calling of al government. Not for the few. Very simple unless having an ideologically encrusted mindset that is so encumbered as to be unable to move forward in rational thought.
Not a cheap dig, but a comment on actual daily events.
I said Intersectional Social Justice. And the Clinton case referenced here is just the most recent example. It should send chills up your spine. The hate is visceral. And this is the new moderate face of the left - primarily in the US but certainly making strong ground in the UK and Australia.
I believe in equality of opportunity. Intersectional theorists do not.
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