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No more so than 'extreme' Christians. Best not to put a point of view over, suggestive of being the belief of all Muslims. Simply because it is not the case. Some will think akin to conservatives of all faiths, while others maintain a more liberal interpretation.
I'm just going by what the Koran says - if you endorse a belief system, you validate it's dictates, unless you specifically state otherwise.
Yeap, people have quickly forget all the terrorists attacks by muslim in europe. And the supports the terrorists get from the muslim community.
Comments like that are unnecessary and ignorant. We are grieving over the murder of 49 kiwis; 49 men, women and children who were savagely wiped out by a (white)terrorist.
Women get raped by men so should we be glad when men get murdered because some are bad?
I don't support their religious beliefs but then I don't support christian beliefs either. I judge people by their actions, not their beliefs.
Terrorists and Muslims are not synonymous and the massacre here is Christchurch proved that. Here in New Zealand we have had no issues with our Muslim community. They are respectable, hard-working kiwis who deserve and will get our respect and support.
I'm just going by what the Koran says - if you endorse a belief system, you validate it's dictates, unless you specifically state otherwise.
What about what the bible says?
And utterly destroy all that they have, and do not spare them," God says through the prophet Samuel. "But kill both man and woman, infant and nursing child, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Pretending or not the word Muslim is not really in use to any degree that I have noticed. They were the group targeted, not New Zealanders, in general.
To be fair, if we don't use the word 'Muslim' it's not because we don't want to acknowledge their religion, it's because first and foremost, they are New Zealanders, kiwis who just happen to be Muslim as well. We want the world to know that they were our kin and feel their loss keenly.
Yeap, people have quickly forget all the terrorists attacks by muslim in europe. And the supports the terrorists get from the muslim community.
Nobody is forgetting those attacks, but just like this one, they represent the views of a minor subset of the population. There are extremists on both sides.
To be fair, if we don't use the word 'Muslim' it's not because we don't want to acknowledge them, it's because first and foremost, they are New Zealanders, kiwis who just happen to be Muslim as well. We want the world to know that they were our kin and feel their loss keenly.
That’s a noble sentiment, but one that I don’t think is very helpful, sadly. If Muslims were specifically targeted then the attack is directed at them.
The synagogue shooting that happened in Pittsburgh targeted Jews.
The Quebec mosque shooting targeted Muslims
The Pulse club one was motivated by homophobia
All of the above are very much terrorist attacks perpetrated by delusional lunatics, but they were aimed at a specific groups.
The 2017 Vegas shooting on the other hand is a terrorist attack targeting Americans in general since it did not discriminate. Same goes to Bataclan in France.
I believe that the distinction is important as it highlights the groups at risk. Of course, as a nation it is imperative to treat them all equally and recognize those as attacks against citizens.
That’s a noble sentiment, but one that I don’t think is very helpful, sadly. If Muslims were specifically targeted then the attack is directed at them.
The synagogue shooting that happened in Pittsburgh targeted Jews.
The Quebec mosque shooting targeted Muslims
The Pulse club one was motivated by homophobia
All of the above are very much terrorist attacks perpetrated by delusional lunatics, but they were aimed at a specific groups.
The 2017 Vegas shooting on the other hand is a terrorist attack targeting Americans in general since it did not discriminate. Same goes to Bataclan in France.
I believe that the distinction is important as it highlights the groups at risk. Of course, as a nation it is imperative to treat them all equally and recognize those as attacks against citizens.
I understand what you're saying but I wasn't meaning we ignore/gloss over their religion in general or all the time. I meant that the reason why we have refrained from referring to them as Muslim recently is because we want to press home the fact that an attack on Muslims who live in New Zealand is an attack on NZ. It doesn't mean we aren't dealing with the ugly truth of terrorism or what motivates it. 'Muslim' has become a loaded word that people associate with terrorists so we need to modify the narrative to ensure we're being heard. They were people, our people, and Muslim.
To be fair, if we don't use the word 'Muslim' it's not because we don't want to acknowledge their religion, it's because first and foremost, they are New Zealanders, kiwis who just happen to be Muslim as well. We want the world to know that they were our kin and feel their loss keenly.
That's a way of thinking.
But does they consider themself as new zealanders or muslim in first?
Many survey in europe about muslim population underline strange results.
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