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Comparing the war in Afghanistan to any war with China is retarded. America blew a trillion trying to build a democratic nation state with a rag-tag collection of warring tribes. That after 20 years a bunch of poppy farmers carrying not much more than the Koran and a Kalashnikov defeated an "army" of 300,000 while scarcely firing a bullet shows the utter folly of America's project.
If China was invading Australia (a scenario beyond remote) then the world is already in WW3. In reality, I'd back the Chinese to understand the cost/benefit of starting wars more than America, given the recent examples of Afghanistan and Iraq.
Agreed that the possibility of China invading Australia is remote in the short term and even in the medium term. But I would respectfully submit that you are mistaken if you dont think the Chinese dont aspire to be THE undisputed superpower of the world. Look at its constant sabre rattling against Taiwan. Look at its actions in the South China Sea. Look at its actions concerning the Spratly islands. Look into its Belt and Chain initiative. This is a country that is definitely NOT content to just peacefully co exist with everyone. They want the number one spot. But they are smart enough to realize that they are not there yet technologically and even financially. But they are on the way to that...we could talk about the incredible short sightedness of both the West and Russia in rushing to sell weapons and tech to the Chinese in search of the easy bucks while overlooking the long term consequences, but I digress.
Agreed that the possibility of China invading Australia is remote in the short term and even in the medium term. But I would respectfully submit that you are mistaken if you dont think the Chinese dont aspire to be THE undisputed superpower of the world. Look at its constant sabre rattling against Taiwan. Look at its actions in the South China Sea. Look at its actions concerning the Spratly islands. Look into its Belt and Chain initiative. This is a country that is definitely NOT content to just peacefully co exist with everyone. They want the number one spot. But they are smart enough to realize that they are not there yet technologically and even financially. But they are on the way to that...we could talk about the incredible short sightedness of both the West and Russia in rushing to sell weapons and tech to the Chinese in search of the easy bucks while overlooking the long term consequences, but I digress.
Agreed that the possibility of China invading Australia is remote in the short term and even in the medium term. But I would respectfully submit that you are mistaken if you dont think the Chinese dont aspire to be THE undisputed superpower of the world.
Of course they aspire to that. Is that even in dispute? It doesn't mean they will become that. Demographics and money are what matters and both are not in China's favour.
Of course they aspire to that. Is that even in dispute? It doesn't mean they will become that. Demographics and money are what matters and both are not in China's favour.
Demographics and money are not in Australia's favor either. What ethnic group was one of the fastest growing in Australia prior to the pandemic? Which ethnic group is the main driver behind the soaring real estate prices in Sydney and Melbourne? And bonus question; which country is the biggest customer for Australia's minerals and agricultural products?
Demographics and money are not in Australia's favor either. What ethnic group was one of the fastest growing in Australia prior to the pandemic? Which ethnic group is the main driver behind the soaring real estate prices in Sydney and Melbourne? And bonus question; which country is the biggest customer for Australia's minerals and agricultural products?
Poor policy is behind Australia's outrageous real estate prices. China born, let alone ethnic Chinese are so few in per cent terms, who come from a host of countries outside of China, to make much impact. At least in terms of any take over. Actually it is Nepalese with one of the highest immigration birth growth rates, last time I looked.
Agreed that the possibility of China invading Australia is remote in the short term and even in the medium term. But I would respectfully submit that you are mistaken if you dont think the Chinese dont aspire to be THE undisputed superpower of the world. Look at its constant sabre rattling against Taiwan. Look at its actions in the South China Sea. Look at its actions concerning the Spratly islands. Look into its Belt and Chain initiative. This is a country that is definitely NOT content to just peacefully co exist with everyone. They want the number one spot. But they are smart enough to realize that they are not there yet technologically and even financially. But they are on the way to that...we could talk about the incredible short sightedness of both the West and Russia in rushing to sell weapons and tech to the Chinese in search of the easy bucks while overlooking the long term consequences, but I digress.
China will obviously seek to grow its status from being the worlds second super power. Every nation in a similar situation through out history has attempted to project its power in a global sense. China has never flinched on its claim over Taiwan. But they hardly have much of a history of military intervention overseas. Nor attempts at colonial exploration through out the world.
The West will do what they always have. Seek out markets for profit, to which China was very much a part of enhancing western lifestyles and economies through their imports and cheap exports of a range of style enhancing products from clothes and footwear to electronics and technology.
China has always played the longer game. Something much the west is bad at.
Tbh I'm more concerned about USA wanting to start a war with China than the other way. The current talk and behaviour coming from there, backed with its long and predictable history of resulting acts when it talks in such a way towards its percieved adversaries, is what it's pointing to.
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Don’t think China would ever directly attack Australia. Australia is unofficial white sibling of USA and Europe. They can invade other Asian countries including Taiwan and others may not care. But if Europe and USA sees one of their own being attacked (ie. another developed white country), then all bets are off. China can potentially incur the wrath of countries like France and Germany who have stayed away from this conflict so far; not the risk they would like to take.
Don’t think China would ever directly attack Australia. Australia is unofficial white sibling of USA and Europe. They can invade other Asian countries including Taiwan and others may not care. But if Europe and USA sees one of their own being attacked (ie. another developed white country), then all bets are off. China can potentially incur the wrath of countries like France and Germany who have stayed away from this conflict so far; not the risk they would like to take.
You think so? China is Germany's top trading partner, taking a larger share of German exports than any other single country (excluding the EU as a whole). You really have a lot of faith that Germany is willing to sacrifice the hundreds of billions of dollars from trade for Australia? Well I guess I'm just more cynical. Money talks. Australia's only hope would be the US, and even that would require a unique set of circumstances starting with someone crazy enough like say Trump to be in charge when China makes its charge. Otherwise, better brush up on your mandarin.
Australia's only hope would be the US, and even that would require a unique set of circumstances starting with someone crazy enough like say Trump to be in charge when China makes its charge.
If Trump was in charge I doubt China would be foolish enough to attack. What's crazy about defending an ally from an unprovoked attack?
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