How do Aussies view Kiwis and vice versa (fit in, live)

[mattyj46]

Originally Posted by wanneroo

Fush and Chups, Sux and Tin. It's interesting over the years I was able to break down the New Zealand accent into it's regional varieties and could usually accurately pick what city/region a kiwi was from.
Often it seems both get lumped in together, but they have evolved differently as cultures. Some perhaps is due to some external factors such as the fact Maori are integrated into society when the Aborigines are not, the fact that Australia is a much larger country, that Australia has more diversity in it's immigration that New Zealand which is predominately British/Scottish in descent, that Australia has a convict/rebel background while NZ has an agricultural, middle class settlement background.

I find Australians to be more open, louder and gregarious in conversation, very inviting, etc. Aussies tend to be more open in inviting you into their group, whatever whereever that may be. Kiwis are almost always more reserved, more formal, friendly yet not as open. Kiwis I find take a lot more effort to be true friends with them beyond the usual pleasantries. Also I notice Kiwis tend to shy away from direct confrontation, arguments or debates. With Aussies I find you can have a good raging debate going about whatever and it's all good fun with no harm done, while often in debates I find Kiwis can take it personally if one doesn't see their way.

In sports also some differences as well. Aussies tend to be a bit more brash and vocal about who they support either at a motor race or rugby game. In New Zealand when I started going to Super 14 rugby matches, it was quite an adjustment as the crowd practically whispers except for a few dramatic moments when everyone bursts into cheers. Same at motor races in New Zealand, you don't see the outpourings of emotion or vocal support like one would in Australia or the USA.

Relationships with down under women. I could write a whole book about that. They don't have a dating culture down there like in the USA. In the USA, it all revolves around the male fluttering around the female, formally asking her out, going on the first date(job interview, really) and then it is paint by numbers all the way to marriage. In Aus and NZ, it revolves more around friendship and going out in groups. Spliting the bill is important, as women from both countries have told me it's a big deal due to the whole fairness culture they have and that a male paying for a woman's dinner can imply she "owes" the male something in return(whereas in the USA, paying for the woman is a way of demonstrating one has the financial wherewithall to be a supportive partner). It also seems to be more of a female picks the male, with Australian women being much more vocal about it, kiwi women being a bit more reserved and cool. Australian women overall are just very direct about what they want.

In terms of how the cultures view one another, obviously there is a rivalry going, but in contrast the Aussies love to make fun of Kiwis.

For the kiwis point of view, Aussies say these: fiish nd chhips, sex, tin.

[mattyj46]

All in all though we like to take the p*ss out of each other whenver we get the chance, its a great little rivalry. Aussie get their shots in but we fire back just as well.

[billsaintkilda]

Originally Posted by mattyj46

All in all though we like to take the p*ss out of each other whenver we get the chance, its a great little rivalry. Aussie get their shots in but we fire back just as well.

It's always fun to take the puss.

[minibrings]

Originally Posted by redturtle

Sounds about right.

Americans are more upfront, Canadians more reserved.

Canadians get mistaken for Americans when abroad, but rarely the other way around (I'm sure it's similar for Kiwis in North America being mistaken for Aussies, but rarely an Aussie being mistaken for a Kiwi).

A big brother little brother relationship?

As a Yank that has lived in Oz, spent a lot of time in NZ and now living in Canada I agree that its similar with one big difference. Kiwis and Aussies can work in each other countries, not so here, one has to apply to migrate or a work permit to work in each others countries. And your health coverage covers you in both countries (so I was told). So both Oz and NZ seem more tied to each other.

Not so the US and Canada, the tie is more economic as trading partners. That close tie was cut when we kicked out the King in 1776 and you still have Queen Elizabeth gracing your currency and as your titular head.

That would be an interesting topic.. will Oz, NZ or Canada ever become republics? I know it was close in Oz a few years back.

[minibrings]

Originally Posted by wanneroo

Fush and Chups, Sux and Tin. It's interesting over the years I was able to break down the New Zealand accent into it's regional varieties and could usually accurately pick what city/region a kiwi was from.

Curious.. how would a Jafa accent differ from someone from a) Welly and b) Christchurch?

[bjauck]

yep...as a Kiwi in Auckland I cannot tell if I am speaking to another Aucklander or a Wellingtonian or a Christchurch dweller. After a while I may be able to pick a Southlander. I would love to know what the regional differences are too!

Of course I can tell an Aussie from a Kiwi and would like to think that I can pick a Sydneysider from a Melburnian - a Sydneysider may say "pass" a Melbrnian "pahs". Both would say "feesh an cheeps" as opposed to the correct "fush und chups".

If I needed a job done quickly I would be a happy for an Aussie to be on the job. A Kiwi would be likely to faff around and make sure everybody was in agreement before making a decision to act. An Aussie would be more confident and act without needing a second opinion!

Both Kiwis and Aussies would be keen to lend you a hand in an emergency. But the Aussies would also be more likely to tell you what to do.

With republicanism - it is not a pressing issue as the Monarchy is not oppressive. Indeed the constitutional monarchy has evolved to be a democratic upholder of the rule of law. Both Oz and NZ can take their time to develop a good alternative. The British connection has just gradually become more irrelevant with the passing of time and with Britain turning away from Commonwealth in favour of Europe. With the UK's wealth and power diminishing because of World War ii, Australia and NZ reluctantly turned to the USA . The US now fulfills the role of dominant colonial master in relation to culture and defence.

As far as ethnic background is concerned. NZ has just as diverse an ethnicity mix as Australia. With NZ however a greater proportion would be from Polynesia. There would be fewer Italians and Greeks too.

[THE_POWER_WITH_IN_AU]

[quote=mackinac81;5365310]Yay! An AUS/NZ forum! I love that part of the world. Good addition.

I've always wondered about
1) the differences between people in New Zealand and Australia in general and
2) how both groups view each other.

The only thing I've ever heard is that people in NZ are seen as more "British" than Australians, and each have their own accent/dialect.

Us Aussies think they are a bunch of winging pricks just like the British.

I've only met one good one and he had been dead for a week.

And thank god we don't import our sheep from them as they are full of kiwi stuffing as it seems.

[mattyj46]

Originally Posted by THE_POWER_WITH_IN_AU

what do Aussies think of kiwi's and vise versa

Us Aussie think they are a pack of winging pricks just like the pommies and Ive only ever met one good one and he had been dead for a week.

And thank god we don't import our sheep from there full off kiwi stuffing as it is.[/quote]

What a jerk...

[THE_POWER_WITH_IN_AU]

Originally Posted by mattyj46

Us Aussie think they are a pack of winging pricks just like the pommies and Ive only ever met one good one and he had been dead for a week.

And thank god we don't import our sheep from there full off kiwi stuffing as it is.

What a jerk...[/quote]

what so your calling 90% of Aussies jerks because many of us think like that.

[mattyj46]

Originally Posted by THE_POWER_WITH_IN_AU

What a jerk...

what so your calling 90% of Aussies jerks because many of us think like that.[/quote]

I guess I am then. You speak for a large amount of your country then.