How do Aussies view Kiwis and vice versa (agricultural, bill)

[mackinac81]

Yay! An AUS/NZ forum! I love that part of the world. Good addition.

I've always wondered about
1) the differences between people in New Zealand and Australia in general and
2) how both groups view each other.

The only thing I've ever heard is that people in NZ are seen as more "british" than australians, and each have their own accent/dialect.

I look forward to any responses. Thanks!

[minibrings]

Ask a kiwi how to pronounce the following:
fish and chips
six
ten

[HH61]

Originally Posted by minibrings

Ask a kiwi how to pronounce the following:
fish and chips
six
ten

and thats the major difference.

its a funny experience to meet NZ people

[wanneroo]

Originally Posted by minibrings

Ask a kiwi how to pronounce the following:
fish and chips
six
ten

Fush and Chups, Sux and Tin. It's interesting over the years I was able to break down the New Zealand accent into it's regional varieties and could usually accurately pick what city/region a kiwi was from.

Often it seems both get lumped in together, but they have evolved differently as cultures. Some perhaps is due to some external factors such as the fact Maori are integrated into society when the Aborigines are not, the fact that Australia is a much larger country, that Australia has more diversity in it's immigration that New Zealand which is predominately British/Scottish in descent, that Australia has a convict/rebel background while NZ has an agricultural, middle class settlement background.

I find Australians to be more open, louder and gregarious in conversation, very inviting, etc. Aussies tend to be more open in inviting you into their group, whatever whereever that may be. Kiwis are almost always more reserved, more formal, friendly yet not as open. Kiwis I find take a lot more effort to be true friends with them beyond the usual pleasantries. Also I notice Kiwis tend to shy away from direct confrontation, arguments or debates. With Aussies I find you can have a good raging debate going about whatever and it's all good fun with no harm done, while often in debates I find Kiwis can take it personally if one doesn't see their way.

In sports also some differences as well. Aussies tend to be a bit more brash and vocal about who they support either at a motor race or rugby game. In New Zealand when I started going to Super 14 rugby matches, it was quite an adjustment as the crowd practically whispers except for a few dramatic moments when everyone bursts into cheers. Same at motor races in New Zealand, you don't see the outpourings of emotion or vocal support like one would in Australia or the USA.

Relationships with down under women. I could write a whole book about that. They don't have a dating culture down there like in the USA. In the USA, it all revolves around the male fluttering around the female, formally asking her out, going on the first date(job interview, really) and then it is paint by numbers all the way to marriage. In Aus and NZ, it revolves more around friendship and going out in groups. Spliting the bill is important, as women from both countries have told me it's a big deal due to the whole fairness culture they have and that a male paying for a woman's dinner can imply she "owes" the male something in return(whereas in the USA, paying for the woman is a way of demonstrating one has the financial wherewithall to be a supportive partner). It also seems to be more of a female picks the male, with Australian women being much more vocal about it, kiwi women being a bit more reserved and cool. Australian women overall are just very direct about what they want.

In terms of how the cultures view one another, obviously there is a rivalry going, but in contrast the Aussies love to make fun of Kiwis.

[redturtle]

So you're saying that Aussies are to Kiwis what Americans are to Canadians?

[Kangaroofarmer]

Originally Posted by redturtle

So you're saying that Aussies are to Kiwis what Americans are to Canadians?

Pretty much?

The Kiwi/Aussie relationship, Is a sort of Sibling rivalry? We quite often make fun of each other. But when it's needed, We're always good friends and allies.

[redturtle]

Sounds about right.

Americans are more upfront, Canadians more reserved.

Canadians get mistaken for Americans when abroad, but rarely the other way around (I'm sure it's similar for Kiwis in North America being mistaken for Aussies, but rarely an Aussie being mistaken for a Kiwi).

A big brother little brother relationship?

[billsaintkilda]

I find that the world's view about our relationship is that of exagerated hostilities. When I ocassionally get mistaken for a Kiwi, I'll say "no I'm an Aussie". The next thing I hear is "Oh I'm really sorry". To be honest I couldn't give a rats. The only time in my life I feel any hostility towards Kiwis is when we play them in Rugby. Mind you I hate losing to them more than anyone except maybe England but that's out of respect more than anything. On the sibling thing you find that overseas Aussies and Kiwis tend to band together when overseas.

And I actually married a kiwi. Also divorced her but that wasn't the reason.

[mattyj46]

Originally Posted by Kangaroofarmer

Pretty much?

The Kiwi/Aussie relationship, Is a sort of Sibling rivalry? We quite often make fun of each other. But when it's needed, We're always good friends and allies.

That sums it up great, we arn't at each other too often, its almost like a friendly rivalry, we always stick the jokes into each other.

[mattyj46]

Originally Posted by wanneroo

Fush and Chups, Sux and Tin. It's interesting over the years I was able to break down the New Zealand accent into it's regional varieties and could usually accurately pick what city/region a kiwi was from.

Often it seems both get lumped in together, but they have evolved differently as cultures. Some perhaps is due to some external factors such as the fact Maori are integrated into society when the Aborigines are not, the fact that Australia is a much larger country, that Australia has more diversity in it's immigration that New Zealand which is predominately British/Scottish in descent, that Australia has a convict/rebel background while NZ has an agricultural, middle class settlement background.

I find Australians to be more open, louder and gregarious in conversation, very inviting, etc. Aussies tend to be more open in inviting you into their group, whatever whereever that may be. Kiwis are almost always more reserved, more formal, friendly yet not as open. Kiwis I find take a lot more effort to be true friends with them beyond the usual pleasantries. Also I notice Kiwis tend to shy away from direct confrontation, arguments or debates. With Aussies I find you can have a good raging debate going about whatever and it's all good fun with no harm done, while often in debates I find Kiwis can take it personally if one doesn't see their way.

In sports also some differences as well. Aussies tend to be a bit more brash and vocal about who they support either at a motor race or rugby game. In New Zealand when I started going to Super 14 rugby matches, it was quite an adjustment as the crowd practically whispers except for a few dramatic moments when everyone bursts into cheers. Same at motor races in New Zealand, you don't see the outpourings of emotion or vocal support like one would in Australia or the USA.

Relationships with down under women. I could write a whole book about that. They don't have a dating culture down there like in the USA. In the USA, it all revolves around the male fluttering around the female, formally asking her out, going on the first date(job interview, really) and then it is paint by numbers all the way to marriage. In Aus and NZ, it revolves more around friendship and going out in groups. Spliting the bill is important, as women from both countries have told me it's a big deal due to the whole fairness culture they have and that a male paying for a woman's dinner can imply she "owes" the male something in return(whereas in the USA, paying for the woman is a way of demonstrating one has the financial wherewithall to be a supportive partner). It also seems to be more of a female picks the male, with Australian women being much more vocal about it, kiwi women being a bit more reserved and cool. Australian women overall are just very direct about what they want.

In terms of how the cultures view one another, obviously there is a rivalry going, but in contrast the Aussies love to make fun of Kiwis.

Lol wait till you go to an AirNZ match, ALOT more passion there, more yelling, atmosphere. Can't say about about motor racing though.