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Old 03-23-2009, 03:18 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Just some things that are sometimes confused by some people in the Australian public who have little experience with these three groups -- yes there is a difference.

A bogan is someone of the lower income bracket and is the only one that is determined based on socio-economic grounds. However, a bogan's actions are another determinant. A bogan will act "Aussie": cars, beer, jimmy barnes etc. Bogans often are actually very nice people.

A yobbo on the other hand can be from any socio-economic class, usually the middle class, and they are usually younger (16-30). Yobbo's are more obnoxious, arrogant and loud -- the type to wear the Australian flag around their neck at the Big Day Out Festival. They'll always abide by the "stereotypes", like wearing thongs on a wet 10 degree day and drinking a beer at the most inappropriate times -- just so people know they are Australian.

A redneck can be from any class, including the upper. Rednecks are more racist and condescending towards others and are usually of the older age bracket.
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Old 03-23-2009, 03:27 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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A very good clarification t0mmy! Which bracket do you fit into? lol. I'm a bit bogan myself, I must say, and maybe a hint of yob...

Of course some bogans can be yobbos, but by no means are most yobbos bogans, as you pointed out a lot of them are actually middle class. You can observe many normally reserved middle class kids acting like hooligans on the weekend.
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Old 03-23-2009, 04:17 AM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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yea obviously some are going to be two, or all three even. being wog i wouldn't classify myself as any of them and generally don't get along with yobbo's or rednecks. I am quite biased in my post to bogans because i am friends with a few and they are great people. there are a lot of yobbo's at uni and they just annoy the hell out of me, i really despise them.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:12 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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Just some things that are sometimes confused by some people in the Australian public who have little experience with these three groups -- yes there is a difference.

A redneck can be from any class, including the upper. Rednecks are more racist and condescending towards others and are usually of the older age bracket.
Thanks, we needed an Aussie to tell people what a North American category means.
(actually an American term, and I'm a Canadian, but have many American friends )

Again, to me a great example of a redneck is "Earl" on "My Name is Earl."
"Tim Taylor" on "Home Improvement" could be described a "redneck" too, on more looser terms of the definition.
"Redneck" doesn't make anyone more likely to be racist;
the only difference is a redneck who is racist already might be more likely to be openly racist.

In Canada, I know a guy about my age and of Indian ancestry who I would describe as "quite redneck"...
and he probably wouldn't mind being described that way.
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:13 PM
 
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this could be, uh, educational....


YouTube - Nobody likes a Bogan
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Old 03-23-2009, 06:58 PM
 
Location: Melbourne, Australia
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Thanks, we needed an Aussie to tell people what a North American category means.
(actually an American term, and I'm a Canadian, but have many American friends )

Again, to me a great example of a redneck is "Earl" on "My Name is Earl."
"Tim Taylor" on "Home Improvement" could be described a "redneck" too, on more looser terms of the definition.
"Redneck" doesn't make anyone more likely to be racist;
the only difference is a redneck who is racist already might be more likely to be openly racist.

In Canada, I know a guy about my age and of Indian ancestry who I would describe as "quite redneck"...
and he probably wouldn't mind being described that way.
i guess thong means the same thing in the US too? slab, too? and root? barrack? yes, all words in the US have the same meaning they do in Australia way to make something out of nothing
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Old 03-23-2009, 10:13 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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i guess thong means the same thing in the US too? slab, too? and root? barrack? yes, all words in the US have the same meaning they do in Australia way to make something out of nothing
So Aussie's invented their own "redneck" definition?
I (mistakingly) assumed that it was borrowed and interpretted that way.

A lot of Americans also have very negative views about "rednecks" (usually those who know very little about where the idea came from) but at the same time, a lot of other Americans don't view it generally negative. To me, the main general traits are very-unpretensious (sp?) behavior/lifestyle, some element of boldness in character and sometimes random acts of bravado. This is why "Earl" fits for me.

*You were spot on about rednecks can be from any class though, in terms of the American definition too.
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Old 03-23-2009, 11:05 PM
 
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So Aussie's invented their own "redneck" definition?
I (mistakingly) assumed that it was borrowed and interpretted that way.

A lot of Americans also have very negative views about "rednecks" (usually those who know very little about where the idea came from) but at the same time, a lot of other Americans don't view it generally negative. To me, the main general traits are very-unpretensious (sp?) behavior/lifestyle, some element of boldness in character and sometimes random acts of bravado. This is why "Earl" fits for me.

*You were spot on about rednecks can be from any class though, in terms of the American definition too.

We did borrow the word from North America. But like alot of Aussie terms, we changed the definition! From the US/Canada meaning of "Redneck". To the Australian meaning, of someone who's overtly racist.

Your description is closer to describing a Bogan/Yobbo?

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Old 03-24-2009, 05:40 AM
 
Location: The western periphery of Terra Australis
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We did borrow the word from North America. But like alot of Aussie terms, we changed the definition! From the US/Canada meaning of "Redneck". To the Australian meaning, of someone who's overtly racist.

Your description is closer to describing a Bogan/Yobbo?
Yes, the Aussie definition is probably more suggestive of racist characteristics...it's also quite negative. Indeed, I think 'redneck' tends to distill the most negative traits of bogans/bumpkins such as xenophobia, inflexibility.etc and tends to stereotype them on those traits.

All in all I think 'bogan' has been used quite negatively too, and it annoys me. Many 'bogans' are much better people than pretentious, 'sophisticated' people.
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Old 03-24-2009, 04:29 PM
 
Location: Perth, Western Australia
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We did borrow the word from North America. But like alot of Aussie terms, we changed the definition! From the US/Canada meaning of "Redneck". To the Australian meaning, of someone who's overtly racist.

Your description is closer to describing a Bogan/Yobbo?
Some people here also interpret it that way, but then again it's by North Americans unfamiliar with its origins.
However in Canada, we have few words or meanings of our own;
95% of our common (English) language is American.
(We tend not to take other cultures words and give them our own meanings, I understand Australia frequently does, and this is actually a positive for me; helps make life less boring)

A popular redneck joke:
-What are the most common dying words/last words of a redneck?
- "...Hey y'all, what this!..."

Since we have a song about Bogans, how about a fun redneck song:

Alan Jackson - Its Alright to be a Redneck Video by Livin in the Here & Now - MySpace Video
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