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Old 07-31-2010, 03:20 PM
 
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While I agree with the dying part, that is not what is most exciting about NASCAR. THIS is what NASCAR is all, well used to be about:
Perfect example; finishes like those were always few & far between. A rarity.
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Old 07-31-2010, 03:54 PM
 
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Many posters bashing NASCAR have very short memories/selective memories/ don't watch the races.

There were races this year in which the all time record for most lead changes was broken.
( kindas debunks the myth of there being no passing)

Many drivers coming from the back of the pack and gettng a top 5/top 10 finish.
No passing ?

Nostalgia is great, but nostalgia should not over ride or change facts.
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Old 07-31-2010, 05:04 PM
 
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While I agree with the dying part, that is not what is most exciting about NASCAR. THIS is what NASCAR is all, well used to be about:


Well yeah the close finish are always exciting. But they just do not happen enough.

But most the time the drama is crashes, feuds, and
"will this guy have enough fuel left?" 99.9% the leader has enough fuel.
And deep down inside the announcers know the race is over they are just trying to keep the viewers attention.
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Old 07-31-2010, 07:07 PM
 
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Many times the driver who has led the most laps does not win.
Many times the driver leading with only 20-30 laps left does not win.

Listen to some of you posters, you make it sound the race is over when half the laps are run.

Nope, but that was the case many times in races in your nostalgic past.
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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Many times the driver who has led the most laps does not win.
Many times the driver leading with only 20-30 laps left does not win.

Listen to some of you posters, you make it sound the race is over when half the laps are run.

Nope, but that was the case many times in races in your nostalgic past.

Let me ask this; WHAT exactly is wrong with NASCAR today if it's nothing that has been said before, ie: the COT, ticket prices, points system, etc? I mean something has to be wrong. Let's hear exactly why there are empty seats, poor TV ratings, etc. Is it all an illusion? Are the empty seats not really empty? Are people really watching NASCAR but the networks and NASCAR want people to think they aren't?

And please don't tell me it all has to do with the economy. The attendance and TV number prove this was going downhill well before the economic issues. So if NASCAR is so exciting, fresh and better than ever, then why are people abandoning it in mass?
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:27 PM
 
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Many posters bashing NASCAR have very short memories/selective memories/ don't watch the races.

There were races this year in which the all time record for most lead changes was broken.
( kindas debunks the myth of there being no passing)

Many drivers coming from the back of the pack and gettng a top 5/top 10 finish.
No passing ?

Nostalgia is great, but nostalgia should not over ride or change facts.
+1
Can't rep you
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:36 PM
 
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Another idea: let's really go back to the good ol' days before the points system was developed so you can watch your favorite driver pack up & go home early as opposed to taking an unnecessary risk tearing up equipment due to mechanical/handling issues.
See how long you enjoy that.

Last edited by WFW&P; 07-31-2010 at 09:48 PM..
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Old 07-31-2010, 09:55 PM
 
Location: Somewhere in Kentucky
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Why do I have a feeling no one will answer the question I asked.
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Old 07-31-2010, 10:30 PM
 
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Why do I have a feeling no one will answer the question I asked.
I answered in an earlier post but I guess the explanation doesn't suit you or you just didn't read it.
Simply put: The popularity wasn't going to last forever. Just a fact of life. Many racing series have gone defunct over the years. Stick & ball sports, though largely unchanged, have adopted changes to improve attendance/viewership.
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Old 08-01-2010, 10:30 AM
 
Location: Lake Norman, NC
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Let me ask this; WHAT exactly is wrong with NASCAR today if it's nothing that has been said before, ie: the COT, ticket prices, points system, etc?
Well, aside from those, here are three things that I don't agree with as Nascar has evolved: (Again, just my opinion.)

1) Media Saturation - It used to be that you'd have to look high and low to see bits of a race on TV and in the newspapers. You'd often spend a Sunday afternoon sitting with your friends listening to the race on the AM radio stations. The 80's were great in that the races were televised and there were one or two racing-based tv shows on during the week to summarize things. Since the 90's and mainly due to the internet, racing is in your face at every turn with oodles of racing columnists, bloggists, tv shows, radio shows, etc. It's to the point where they are turning non-issues into teaser stories and blown out of proportion topics. (Good example: Remember when Jr was leaving DEI?) It's out of hand and the media has created a good share of the apathy in the sport due to oversaturation.

2) Fox TV coverage - Fox has turned televised racing into a debacle. What used to be terrific coverage with the like of Benny, Bob, and Ned on ESPN and Eli Gold and the guys at TNT has now turned into the camera hogging, self promoting, grand-standing, dillweeds on Fox TV. Race coverage used to be the anthem, some driver introductions and interviews, prayer, and drop the green flag. Now it's Hollywood Hotel, program hosts, females reporters (no problem if they know racing!), games and interviews, rumors, concerts, cartoon characters, overly-repeated regionalisms, "boogity,boogity, boogity" nonsense, whatever that crap is Larry Mac babbles at the green, etc. And the other networks have somewhat followed suit.

3) The new generation of cars and "drivers" - I've said it before and I'll say it again. I miss the guys that "raced". They're just about gone from Nascar. These were the guys that worked and provided for a family. They spent nights in the garage wrenching their cars and then traveling to the tracks to "race" them. It used to be cool to see an engine change DURING a race. And the driver was usually right in the mix helping out. As the sport evolved, these guys were able to dedicate their lives to racing (ie - racing was their job), but many of them were still there getting greasy at the track and "leaving it all out there" running for steak money. Today, we're at a point where the sport and the sponsors have media darlings in these cars. They drive these engineering spectacles angling for the best finish their handling package allows for. This way they can focus on the goal of getting camera time for their sponsor laden car, repeating cliche interview answers, taking their fake swig of the sponsors beverage on camera, and spewing out all-of the sponsor names in each interview. We've gone from tough as nail racers with personality to pretty boy drivers with neatly pressed firesuits.

Yep, the sport has changed over the years and there are definitely things that have gotten better as well as those that have worsened, IMHO. Overall, I still LOVE stock car racing (especially the Whelen modifed series compared to the Big 3 series).

But you cannot go back to where it was, so we have to enjoy what it is.
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