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Old 11-08-2011, 08:29 AM
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You guys kill me...let's park Vickers...Let's park Kyle...heck...let's park all of them and hire some boy scouts to drive these cars every day... Plus we should bubble wrap all of the cars so they just softly bounce off each other...
Nothing wrong with guys banging fenders but when you don't respect the other driver then you have to be parked. If Kyle didn't learn his lesson this week then he should get a longer suspension.

I mean just how many "cage rattlers" do we need?

With Vickers maybe it should be no RED Bull before the race.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:17 PM
 
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You guys kill me...let's park Vickers...Let's park Kyle...heck...let's park all of them and hire some boy scouts to drive these cars every day... Plus we should bubble wrap all of the cars so they just softly bounce off each other...
HA! Love it. Lets remove everyone's personality while we're at it.
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Old 11-08-2011, 04:21 PM
 
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HA! Love it. Lets remove everyone's personality while we're at it.
According to some it's already been done.
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Old 11-09-2011, 11:50 AM
 
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According to some it's already been done.
Exactly.
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Old 11-09-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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You guys kill me...let's park Vickers...Let's park Kyle...heck...let's park all of them and hire some boy scouts to drive these cars every day... Plus we should bubble wrap all of the cars so they just softly bounce off each other...
even with "boys have at it", there are lines that should not be crossed. vickers pushed the limit, and kyle stepped over it. rough driving is part of the sport, but even dale sr knew there was a limit to how rough you could get in your driving.
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Old 11-09-2011, 02:15 PM
 
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^^Problem is, NASCAR never defined that 'do not cross this line'. What did they expect would happen?

Hey, we got away with X this week, let's try Y next week.

A big portion of the blame lies squarely on the sanctioning body's shoulders.
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Old 11-11-2011, 02:16 AM
 
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^^Problem is, NASCAR never defined that 'do not cross this line'. What did they expect would happen?

Hey, we got away with X this week, let's try Y next week.

A big portion of the blame lies squarely on the sanctioning body's shoulders.
to a point you are right, but if nascar takes a heavy hand in parking drivers that get out of line all the time, then they also get complaints from the fans of those drivers. nascar is in a damned if you and damned if you dont situation.

perhaps they should have parked vickers at martinsville, and that may have stopped busch from getting stupid at texas. who knows. i give nascar credit for trying to let the drivers go, but i also realize that they have let the drivers go too far from time to time.

there are other sanctioning bodies that will penalize a driver for rough driving if they give another driver a little of the chrome horn, and the offended driver complains about it. i have also seen that same sanctioning body penalize a driver for an incident even though there was no intent to hit another car, but circumstances such as a flat tire, or one driver cutting off another, causing the cut off driver to lock up his brakes, lose control and hit a third driver, and the cut off driver gets the penalty.

while i dont like crash fests in racing, i also dont like a sanctioning body that takes a heavy hand in disciplining drivers either.
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Old 11-13-2011, 09:21 AM
 
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^^Problem is, NASCAR never defined that 'do not cross this line'. What did they expect would happen?

Hey, we got away with X this week, let's try Y next week.

A big portion of the blame lies squarely on the sanctioning body's shoulders.
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The same thinking applies here. The definition must be flexible based on driving conditions, previous incidents, etc. Certainly the KB incident with Ron Hornaday is a great example of going way too far.
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Old 11-13-2011, 12:59 PM
 
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Agreed:
" Certainly the KB incident with Ron Hornaday is a great example of going way too far."...but so were a lot of other incidents involving other drivers who didn't receive near the punishment KB got.

NASCAR's the only sports governing body that makes up rules as they go along since there's no clear definition of what's right and what's wrong in a lot of situations.
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Old 11-13-2011, 04:28 PM
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Vickers does it again. picks on Mr Milquetoast Kenseth. Of course Kenseth won't go after him. Better not try that with Carl.
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