Formula one Season 2013 thread (van, drivers, ABS, racing)
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The penalty was very harsh, he didn't leave the track until he was ahead of Massa and then again he did it to avoid a collision. They would not have handed that penalty to Alonso, Vettel, Hamilton or Raikkonen, I'm sure.
He got 20 seconds for the one on Button as well, that one is more debatable, but frankly I think they are obsessed with punishing someone every time cars touch, no matter how mildly and inconsequential.
Agreed as well. Grosjean should have never been penalized or either pass IMO. Where his tires went off with Massa is a corner where everyone had been going off track and it didn't look like all four tires left the track. As for Button, he was already past Button when Button clipped him. That was entirely Button's fault.
I think Grosjean has proven he is a good driver. He's had a podium finish and was doing better than Kimi all weekend. Had he not been penalized who knows? He could have finished ahead of Kimi.
Btw... Is it just me or were Vettel and Kimi very friendly?
This was the weekend for Grojean to shine and prove he is worthy of his seat at Lotus which imo he isn't good enough. Kimi has pretty much owned Grojean all season forget about qualifying its the race day that counts and you just wouldn't see Raikkonen doing the same mistakes hence the huge difference in points and why he is the team no.1 driver.
The one on Button was fully Grojeans fault, Button had the racing line so he had track position you can see Grojean moving left and hitting Button.
Everytime I see Grojean in action I am always waiting for him to crash I honestly thought it would be Vettel since he was behind him for so long, its a case of when will Grojean crash next and to who.
I will give Grojean some credit hes better than last year that's for sure but for me he doesn't show that hes a good quality driver.
Grosjean is a very capable driver. He certainly has shown that.
He also does not have the experience Kimi, Button, Vettel or any of the top drivers has.
He's a little rough around the edges and takes big risks, sometimes silly ones, but he'll get there. Thats likely why he got penalized so harsh. They not taking chances with him any more because of his past run-ins.
I suspect he'll be staying with Lotus next season along with Kimi.
Unless Ferrari grabs one of them ti replace Massa. If I were Ferrari, I'd definitely be looking at both drivers.
Agreed as well. Grosjean should have never been penalized or either pass IMO. Where his tires went off with Massa is a corner where everyone had been going off track and it didn't look like all four tires left the track. As for Button, he was already past Button when Button clipped him. That was entirely Button's fault.
I think Grosjean has proven he is a good driver. He's had a podium finish and was doing better than Kimi all weekend. Had he not been penalized who knows? He could have finished ahead of Kimi.
Btw... Is it just me or were Vettel and Kimi very friendly?
Agreed.
I think in regards to the pass on Button, Grosjean turned in a bit late. Probably to block. Button probably didn't expect that and turned in a little sooner which caused a bit of a rub.
Nothing but a racing incident really.
Massa, complete BS.
Yeh I noticed that with Vettel and Kimi too. I think most of the drivers are friends though.
Ferrari have admitted that Fernando Alonso has been admonished by the company's president.
The team said Luca Di Montezemolo ( link) phoned the driver on Monday to wish him a happy birthday but also "tweaked his ear" for his "latest comments".
Ferrari have not revealed which remarks by Alonso, 32, upset Di Montezemolo.
But when he was asked what birthday present he would like after finishing fifth in Sunday's Hungarian Grand Prix, Alonso replied: "Someone else's car."
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Grosjean is a very capable driver. He certainly has shown that.
He also does not have the experience Kimi, Button, Vettel or any of the top drivers has.
He's a little rough around the edges and takes big risks, sometimes silly ones, but he'll get there. Thats likely why he got penalized so harsh. They not taking chances with him any more because of his past run-ins.
I suspect he'll be staying with Lotus next season along with Kimi.
Unless Ferrari grabs one of them ti replace Massa. If I were Ferrari, I'd definitely be looking at both drivers.
If Massa goes I'd like to see the seat go to Kobayashi who's been doing some promo work for Ferrari. Or maybe Hulkenberg.
Agreed.
I think in regards to the pass on Button, Grosjean turned in a bit late. Probably to block. Button probably didn't expect that and turned in a little sooner which caused a bit of a rub.
Nothing but a racing incident really.
Massa, complete BS.
Yeh I noticed that with Vettel and Kimi too. I think most of the drivers are friends though.
In the replays I saw it looked like Button held his line and was as far left as he could possibly be. Also looked like Grojean turned slightly left into Button just before turnin to open his radius and misjudged where Button was. The 4off call around Massa was BS.
In the replays I saw it looked like Button held his line and was as far left as he could possibly be. Also looked like Grojean turned slightly left into Button just before turnin to open his radius and misjudged where Button was. The 4off call around Massa was BS.
Btw.. Senna is playing on NBCSports right now.
I do remember it looking like Grosjean veered left. He may well have but it could also be that he turned in late, making it look like he veered left. Dunno.
If Massa goes I'd like to see the seat go to Kobayashi who's been doing some promo work for Ferrari. Or maybe Hulkenberg.
Agreed.
I definitely think Ferrari is watching Hulkenberg and my bet would be that Hulkenberg gets the seat.
Would be nice to see Kobayashi get it too though.
I think the drivers being watched by Ferrari will be Kimi, Grosjean, Hulkenberg, Vergne and Kobayashi.
I think Vergne has a good shot too.
Damn, I wouldn't rule out either driver from Force India too. Sutil is probably being watched closely too.
Not sure of the contract situation of the above drivers though. That my rule out some of the above.
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link) phoned the driver on Monday to wish him a happy birthday but also "tweaked his ear" for his "latest comments".
