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Old 06-08-2014, 03:33 PM
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Holy heck! The rest of his race aside, the moment when Massa passed Alonso for position - priceless!

Post-race reports say drivers checked out fine at the local hospital, so big incident with major car damage but no human damage. Still a little puzzled about the how - looked like the car in front braked slightly early and jinked out to his left just slightly and then - bang! contact. (lol, no driver name spoilers!)
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:11 PM
 
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Holy heck! The rest of his race aside, the moment when Massa passed Alonso for position - priceless!

Post-race reports say drivers checked out fine at the local hospital, so big incident with major car damage but no human damage. Still a little puzzled about the how - looked like the car in front braked slightly early and jinked out to his left just slightly and then - bang! contact. (lol, no driver name spoilers!)
I think we watched the replay of the incident about a dozen times, it looked to us that both drivers actually turned into each other, however the driver that braked slightly early seems to be at fault.

LOVED when Massa passed Alonso!
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Old 06-08-2014, 08:28 PM
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I think we watched the replay of the incident about a dozen times, it looked to us that both drivers actually turned into each other, however the driver that braked slightly early seems to be at fault.

LOVED when Massa passed Alonso!
Surprised Smedley didn't come on the radio and say "You are faster than Fernando."


Perez gets a five grid place penalty over the incident, which I am not entirely sure was warranted. Sure, it was a terrifying crash - that Vettel somehow just sailed through the middle of - but I didn't see anything egregious in any of the replays. Perez had already been telling his team that he had brake problems and it looked like he just braked a little early and maybe the combination of old tires and worn brakes made his car slide a bit.

Not sure that Nico didn't deserve a penalty for cutting the chicane - sure, it didn't gain him a position, but it sure gained him track position and a bigger lead over Hamilton, straightening out the chicane.

Also, while I do find Lewis Hamilton whiney on occasion, it really does seem to be HIS car with the problems, not Rossberg's. Could be that Nico is easier on his equipment, too. They mentioned during the race (actually it was a team radio) that Hamilton had adjusted his brake bias rearward of where Nico's was set, and that may be the thing that killed his ailing car, though. Both cars had the problem, and maybe Lewis just made it bad enough to kill the car - you'd think we'd have heard the team warning him over that, but I don't think we hear but a fraction of the team communications.
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Old 06-08-2014, 10:09 PM
 
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I got to watch most of it since time was right. I most noticed that in just 20 laps two Mercedes put amazing 24 second gap on third. Now that is what you call dominating performance .Not to surprising since Mercedes has hybrid experience in racing last two years.
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Old 06-09-2014, 07:09 AM
 
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Its clear from onboards that Perez "opened his hands" slightly and let his car move left in an effort to dissuade Massa from taking a look/inside position. That move left is what initiated the contact. If he had done it just a split second sooner it may have given Massa just enough time to take more of an evasive action and avoid the contact.

I was actually disappointed that Vettel did not get taken out as well since Massa was clearly faster than him the last few laps but Vettel was driving an awfully "wide" car on a track historically made one groove by the amount of clag.
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Old 06-09-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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Another aspect of the Montreal race that I found interesting was that the commentary pointed out Massa was using less fuel than the other drivers. This also happened before at a previous race- I think it was Monaco.

Since Button has a reputation as a very smooth driver I would expect him to use less fuel, but apparently this was not the case.
If it was somethging to do with the car I would expect his team mate to also use less fuel- again, this was not the case.
If it was the race situation, i.e. if Massa was driving around alone rather than fighting for position against other drivers, then that might provide an explanation, but he was certainly in the mix, so I am at a loss!

Any theories?
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Old 06-09-2014, 05:13 PM
 
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Its clear from onboards that Perez "opened his hands" slightly and let his car move left in an effort to dissuade Massa from taking a look/inside position. That move left is what initiated the contact. If he had done it just a split second sooner it may have given Massa just enough time to take more of an evasive action and avoid the contact.

I was actually disappointed that Vettel did not get taken out as well since Massa was clearly faster than him the last few laps but Vettel was driving an awfully "wide" car on a track historically made one groove by the amount of clag.
The only thing I see in the video is his left hand opening slightly and that could have been for something minor and had nothing to do with the car moving.

We watched the replays several times, it's clear that Massa moves right when Perez moves left, they ran into each other. They should both be penalized.
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Old 06-11-2014, 08:02 AM
 
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The only thing I see in the video is his left hand opening slightly and that could have been for something minor and had nothing to do with the car moving.

We watched the replays several times, it's clear that Massa moves right when Perez moves left, they ran into each other. They should both be penalized.
"Opening the hands" means straightening the steering wheel. If you move left somewhere approaching a left hand corner during a battle like that you know its very likely you are going to initiate car contact. Perez should have known better. Massa should have known better than to trust Perez as well and should have given him more room. If Perez had KEPT his line and not moved left at the very last second the incident would have never happened.

Massa never moved right UNTIL the contact "sucked" him right. Itd be virtually impossible for Massa to turn right at that point as the car was already fully loaded in the right hand turn already. If there was that amount of extra grip yet still avaliable he would have used it to outbrake Preez by a couple car lengths, NOT to tighten his line.

Perez messed up by doing such a late move into a car already commited to a line. Massa messed up by trusting Perez wouldnt last second block or otherwise F him. Only one of those seems to deserve a penalty.
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Old 06-14-2014, 07:57 AM
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Adrian Newey leaving F1, but staying with Red Bull in some design capacity, maybe America's Cup

Newey linked with America's Cup role | Planet F1 | Formula One | News, Standings, Results, Features, Video

also, the aerodynamicist is irritated that F1 has become all about the engines

Newey: Fundamental rethink needed | Planet F1 | Formula One | News, Standings, Results, Features, Video
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Old 07-26-2014, 12:24 PM
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Qualy today for Hungary - Lewis Hamilton continues in his streak of terrible luck. Ouch.
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