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Old 03-04-2014, 02:35 PM
 
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Originally Posted by The Guardian - 27th February 2014



Jenson Button believes Formula One's "dream" of a grand prix around the streets of London could yet become reality. Twenty months ago plans for a race through the streets of the capital were aired by British Grand Prix sponsors Santander.

Using CGI technology, a 14-corner, 5.1km circuit was unveiled, incorporating notable landmarks such as Buckingham Palace, Big Ben and Trafalgar Square.

Many believed it to be a publicity stunt, although F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone threw his weight firmly behind the idea, adamant it was "no joke".

The 83-year-old even suggested putting the money up, with estimates then it would likely cost in the region of £35m. Such an event would, however, pose enormous problems, although one of those could yet be removed at some point in the near future.

The government on Thursday announced a consultation on closed-road motor sport events on mainland Britain which is due to run for six weeks through to 10 April.

"When I first saw the plans for a London Grand Prix I knew they were ambitious, but fantastic," said Button. "The thought of a race through the capital's streets was only a dream when they initiated the project, but this week's changes to the law bring the idea a step closer to reality.

"When you really picture what it would look like it's truly mind blowing. You could create such a unique grand prix through the streets of London – the roads are naturally very wide and long, so straightline speeds would be high, and you could create a real blend of corners.

"When you combine all of that with the world-famous monuments that would feature in the backdrop you can see why it would be an awesome addition to the calendar."

The new FIA-sanctioned series Formula E, with cars run via electric power, is due to take to the streets of Wembley and Stratford in June 2015 as the conclusion to the 10-race championship that commences in Beijing.

The Motor Sports Association (MSA) has campaigned long and hard for Britain to follow the lead taken by many overseas countries who have staged closed-road events for years.

The MSA acting chief executive Rob Jones said: "This is the news British motor sport has been waiting for. It represents a once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to change the landscape of our sport, allowing local communities across the country to host motor sport events and enjoy all the excitement and economic benefit they bring.

"However, to make that vision a reality we need everybody involved in our sport, from competitors and volunteers to clubs and organisers, to respond positively to the government consultation before the 10 April deadline.

"The government's enthusiasm for closed-road motor sport, and its launch of a public consultation, is the culmination of years of hard work behind the scenes.

"We now have to demonstrate the support that exists for closed-road motor sport around the country."

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London F1 race may get green light as government announces consultation | Sport | theguardian.com

Jenson Button believes a Formula 1 grand prix in London could yet become reality | Sky Sports

London's Monaco-style Formula 1 Grand Prix moves closer and Ecclestone believes it can be even better | Mail Online

Formula One's hopes of staging London Grand Prix receive boost over road safety and speed limits - Telegraph

Heard the one about Jenson Button and the F1 London grand prix? | Sport | The Guardian

Could London be getting its own Monaco-style Grand Prix?. – Time Out London

New push for UK closed-road motorsport could aid London F1 GP hopes - Other news - AUTOSPORT.com

A Step Closer To A London Grand Prix Race | Londonist

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Old 03-04-2014, 02:48 PM
 
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Old 03-04-2014, 02:54 PM
 
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If they do it, I hope that it's somewhat more successful than the short-lived Baltimore Grand Prix that they tried here.

At least the one in London would be real F1 and not Indycar.
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Old 03-04-2014, 06:03 PM
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Street course races are just gimmicks no matter what the type of car. The best races are on dedicated race tracks where the fans can see most of the track. The new F1 track in Texas being the best example of a dedicated road race course for F1. Other road courses that are fan friendly are Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sonoma and others that just happen to put on some of the best attended and most competitive races. There are others that I have not attended but do have a reputation for good racing that the fans can see.The Daytona Rolex 24 hrs can be seen from most seats.

Some of the big road courses in Europe have great reputations because they are long but that's all they are. What is possibly good as far as spectating in almost seeing a race on an LeMans 8 mile track or the 14 mile Nurburgring.

The 24 hrs of LeMans is a spectacle as are some others rather than a good racing venue. I think a F1 race in London is just another spectacle.
If you want to tour London fine, we did it years ago but if you want to see good racing go to a real race track.
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Old 03-05-2014, 05:29 AM
 
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Street course races are just gimmicks no matter what the type of car. The best races are on dedicated race tracks where the fans can see most of the track. The new F1 track in Texas being the best example of a dedicated road race course for F1. Other road courses that are fan friendly are Watkins Glen, Road America, Road Atlanta, Sonoma and others that just happen to put on some of the best attended and most competitive races. There are others that I have not attended but do have a reputation for good racing that the fans can see.The Daytona Rolex 24 hrs can be seen from most seats.

Some of the big road courses in Europe have great reputations because they are long but that's all they are. What is possibly good as far as spectating in almost seeing a race on an LeMans 8 mile track or the 14 mile Nurburgring.

The 24 hrs of LeMans is a spectacle as are some others rather than a good racing venue. I think a F1 race in London is just another spectacle.
If you want to tour London fine, we did it years ago but if you want to see good racing go to a real race track.
The Singapore F1 Grand Prix is a Street Circuit, as is the famous Monaco F1 Grand Prix, and the Isle of Man TT a very old event is also a street circuit.

Singapore Grand Prix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Street circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isle of Man TT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

In terms of British Racing tracks there are numerous famous ones from the early days at Brooklands and Goodwood through to Brands Hatch and Donnington Park through to Silverstone. The British Grand Prix at Silverstone would continue as a separate race to the London F1 Race in the same way Germany uses both the Nürburgring and Hockenheim,

UK Track Guides | Circuit Layouts | Motor Racing Circuits

Silverstone Circuit - Motorsport, Driving Experiences & Track Days

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Old 03-05-2014, 06:21 AM
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The Singapore F1 Grand Prix is a Street Circuit, as is the famous Monaco F1 Grand Prix, and the Isle of Man TT a very old event is also a street circuit.

Singapore Grand Prix - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Street circuit - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Isle of Man TT - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
I agree that there are many good racing circuits in Europe but IMO. Monaco, Singapore, Isle of Mann are more spectacle than great races.

Seems like Ecclestone likes to bring races to the people rather than depending on race fans traveling long distances to see races. Texas being the exception.
Why he wants to bring a F1 race to Weehawken, NJ where zero fans live instead of to a great F1 track like Watkins Glen where 100,000+ fans will gladly trek to is a mystery to me.

In fairness to F1 fans we do have some spectacle racing here in the USA. The Indy 500, the restrictor plate NASCAR races at Daytona and Talladega are IMO spectacle races. The Rolex 24 hrs in Daytona could be considered a spectacle race if more people attended. I went this past Jan and while the infield was full the grandstands were empty.
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:55 AM
 
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I agree that there are many good racing circuits in Europe but IMO. Monaco, Singapore, Isle of Mann are more spectacle than great races.
Have you ever actually watched a lap of the Manx TT filmed from an onboard camera? Riders may be racing the track more than other riders but it is MOST DEFINITELY racing.

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Seems like Ecclestone likes to bring races to the people rather than depending on race fans traveling long distances to see races. Texas being the exception.
Why he wants to bring a F1 race to Weehawken, NJ where zero fans live instead of to a great F1 track like Watkins Glen where 100,000+ fans will gladly trek to is a mystery to me.

In fairness to F1 fans we do have some spectacle racing here in the USA. The Indy 500, the restrictor plate NASCAR races at Daytona and Talladega are IMO spectacle races. The Rolex 24 hrs in Daytona could be considered a spectacle race if more people attended. I went this past Jan and while the infield was full the grandstands were empty.
Because sponsors would much rather wine & dine their investors/clients in Manhattan than a cow pasture in Schuyler County.
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Old 03-05-2014, 10:57 AM
 
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Yeah street courses are a bad idea. Monaco is a terrible course but remains because of tradition. The money sink involved in closing those streets in London is a bit hard to fathom. No one there would be happy about it.
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Old 03-05-2014, 12:08 PM
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Have you ever actually watched a lap of the Manx TT filmed from an onboard camera? Riders may be racing the track more than other riders but it is MOST DEFINITELY racing.



Because sponsors would much rather wine & dine their investors/clients in Manhattan than a cow pasture in Schuyler County.
Real race fans will travel to the "cow pasture" in Schuyler county to see real racing on a real race track.Faux fans will be watching in NJ,have a good time.

I never said the Mann TT was not racing just that it's not good spectator racing.
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Old 03-05-2014, 01:14 PM
 
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Real race fans will travel to the "cow pasture" in Schuyler county to see real racing on a real race track.Faux fans will be watching in NJ,have a good time.
'Real' race fans DO NOT pay the bills, sponsors do and sponsors will not choose that cow pasture in Schuyler County or anywhere else over Manhattan. Do you really believe India and China got GPs because they're so heavily populated with 'real' race fans? They're both emerging markets where much $$$ will be made, 'real' race fans have nothing to do with it.

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