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Old 08-27-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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You want to claim that the Tmz story is a case of them sensationalizing? Well, they are making a factual claim about Stewart's use of a GoPro camera based on several sources. The definition of sensationalize is this, "to describe or show something in a way that makes it seem more shocking than it really is". If what they say is true, then how is that making "it seem more shocking than it really is"? Since they are just making a factual claim they are not exaggerating things. If you are going to use a word you should at least know what the mean and use them correctly. Now granted Tmz is a celebrity gossip outlet. But, that does not mean they got it wrong when it comes to the use of the GoPro Camera. Moreover if their story is backed up by credible witnesses then that is not sensationalism at all. That is investigative reporting. And, let's not forget that deadspin reported the camera as well the night of the "accident". So, Tmz's work is just corroboration of deadspins. Corroboration is good. It strengthens the story making it more likely to be true. Lastly, you still have not shown that the reports are false.
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oh yes, the old "several sources" bull crap. that generally means that no one was there from TMZ, and they are either speculating that tony was using such a camera, or that someone saw such a camera being used during the investigation and assumed that it came from tonys car.

so who is this witness that is claiming there is actual video from the cockpit? likely it wasnt the cops they dont seem to be releasing anything as yet.

as for this story not being sensationalized, that is rubbish. in truth if it did not involve tony stewart, or any other high profile person, this would have been a front page story on the sports page for perhaps a day or two, and nothing more would have been said about it, and it would have disappeared in the annals of history with very little being said about it.

but since it is tony stewart, it gets pumped up in the media with wild claims of a "video" that is floating out there somewhere, and then they get their legal beagles on the case and they scrub the laws of the state looking for anything that tony might be charged with, and they pump that up as part of the story. and then someone makes a leap of speculation, usually some idiot in the production office who wants to make a name for themselves, throws out certain possibilities like;

"you know i think the reason we are not getting any information from the cops is that they are talking about making some kind of deal with tony" or some such garbage, and then it get reported as "something the DA is looking into".

 
Old 08-27-2014, 10:12 AM
 
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How can the story be sensationalized when it does not meet the definition? I provided the quote from Tmz. Which is not an outlet that I like but they are the only outlet that has reported on the camera other than deadspin. If this is true, it is very damning for Tony. Because it is evidence tampering.


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Tony Stewart Investigation -- No Video or Audio Evidence Gathered from Stewart's Team | TMZ.com


Investigators collected ZERO video from Tony Stewart and Kevin Ward Jr.'s race teams after Saturday night's tragedy because the Sheriff says it does not exist -- which TMZ Sports has learned is a little strange.

Ontario County Sheriff Philip Povero tells TMZ Sports they checked Stewart's #14 sprint car -- and Ward's #13 -- to see if there was mini-cam footage of the moment the NASCAR superstar barreled into Ward ... but came up with zilch.

It's odd because we're told -- by multiple sources in the racing world -- Stewart commonly has a mini-camera of some sort mounted on his cars when he races on smaller dirt tracks like Canandaigua. We've made multiple calls to Stewart's racing teams, but have not heard back.

The sheriff also told us there were no recordings of communication between Stewart and his pit crew -- though our sources say that's standard ops for a small race not airing on TV.

That lack of evidence perhaps explains why the sheriff has made several pleas to the public for any footage of the incident. It's simply not clear from the YouTube footage already out there if Stewart was reckless.

Read more: Tony Stewart Investigation -- No Video or Audio Evidence Gathered from Stewart's Team | TMZ.com
This was reported at deadspin the night of the race. Tmz sports report corroborates what was witnessed here.
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WAS AT SPEEDWAY AND RIGHT NEAR TONY STEWARTS RACE HAULER.AFTER HE CAME IN HE HAD THE CREW CHAGE HIS RIGHT REAR TIRE .THEY ENDED UP PUTTING A LEFT ONE ON. COPS WERE TOLD ABOUT IT SO HOPEFULLY THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. HE ALSO HAD A GO PRO CAMERA ON HIS CAR HOPEFULLY THEY CONFISCATE THAT ALSO BEFORE THAT GETS DESTROYED. HEARD THE YOUNG DRIVER DIDN'T MAKE IT AND I HOPE IT'S NOT TRUE BUT THEY WOULDN'T BRING TONY OUT UNTIL ALL OTHER HAULERS WERE GONE .ALOT OF POLICE AROUND HIS HAULER ALONG WITH HIS PERSONEL SECURITY. HOPE IF THIS IS ALL TRUE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE TRACK THAT HE DOESN'T GET AWAY WITH IT. HE FINALLY LET HIS TEMPER GET THE BEST OF HIM........
 
Old 08-27-2014, 10:16 AM
 
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and again you still rely on unreliable reports of things that are designed to make tony look bad so that the reporters can pump up the headlines and sensationalize their reports. and you constantly buy into it. good job.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 10:31 AM
 
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Tmz's claim is not that Tony was kidnapped by a UFO or encountered Bigfoot. There is nothing sensational about their claim. If the reports are true, then there is no design to make Tony look bad. He is bad in this case. The reports do not come off as implausible. There are plenty of YouTubes of sprint car racers racing that used GoPro's to record their driving. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he used one. There is no good reason to dismiss the story of hand because of the outlet it came from.

This is going to follow Tony around if he is exonerated of all charges. It is certainly a rational reason to believe that there is evidence tampering going on in this case. All one has to do is believe the reports are true. Again, this is not exactly on the same plane as UFO kidnappings or Bigfoot sightings. This is completely plausible.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 10:58 AM
 
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Tmz's claim is not that Tony was kidnapped by a UFO or encountered Bigfoot. There is nothing sensational about their claim. If the reports are true, then there is no design to make Tony look bad. He is bad in this case. The reports do not come off as implausible. There are plenty of YouTubes of sprint car racers racing that used GoPro's to record their driving. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he used one. There is no good reason to dismiss the story of hand because of the outlet it came from.

This is going to follow Tony around if he is exonerated of all charges. It is certainly a rational reason to believe that there is evidence tampering going on in this case. All one has to do is believe the reports are true. Again, this is not exactly on the same plane as UFO kidnappings or Bigfoot sightings. This is completely plausible.
plausible? maybe, likely not though as ONLY the sensationalist sites are the ones reporting the issue of the camera in the car.
 
Old 08-27-2014, 11:11 AM
 
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I thought that these links provide some interesting information.
Witnesses say Stewart sped up right before the crash. This story corroborates the video that shows Stewart's car going up into Ward. The witnesses that appeared on FOX & FRIENDS are quick to claim they think that this was not intentional. But, that really begs the question if Stewart speeds up hitting Ward. How can one claim that this was not intentional? Their story though does contradict the narrative the this was a horrible accident that was unavoidable. Stewart was lower down on the track until he speeds up. This “accident” is Stewart's fault. It would not have happened if he had not decided to sped up and turn his car into Ward.

Witness: Tony Stewart Sped Up Right Before Fatal Crash
Witness: Tony Stewart Sped Up Right Before Fatal Crash | Fox News Insider


'I Saw Him Clear as Day': Rival Driver Disputes Stewart's Story on Fatal Crash
'I Saw Him Clear as Day': Rival Driver Disputes Stewart's Story on Fatal Crash | Fox News Insider


Bob Becker the FOX news legal analyst has come out to say that he thinks this was a definite case of Second Degree Manslaughter at the very least. He then rolled back his opinion. What's going on? Does anyone else smell cover-up? It is clear that's what is going on here. I wonder just who put the pressure on Becker to roll it back? All of this is going to follow Stewart around if or when he is wrongfully exonerated of this crime.

Rob Becker on Stewart:


Rob Becker on Stewart: “second-degree manslaughter at the minimum”
In Other by Elias Albert August 11, 2014


It has been a couple days since the incident involving Tony Stewart in which he struck and killed fellow driver Kevin Ward Jr. who was on-foot at the time. As the story goes, Ward left his damaged vehicle following an accident with Stewart and in an anger-driven attempt to confront Stewart, he was hit by the back-right wheel of Stewart’s car.

The aftermath of this, besides the unfortunate death of 20-year-old Ward, was Stewart being question by police and eventually pulling himself from race contention at Watkins Glen on Sunday. Early reports from multiple sources, including the Ontario County sheriffs department were that Stewart was going to continue on without any charges being filed against him. However, a conversation that legal analyst Rob Becker had during a live broadcast on Fox Sports 1 might change the minds of some fans.

During his conversation with a Fox Sports 1 anchor, Becker made multiple points on evidence he managed to gather himself. He used the professional opinion of another sprint-car driver, who was present for the race when the incident happened, and according to Becker the driver claimed that “Stewart would’ve been able to see Ward and he nevertheless hit the throttle right at that moment, what happens when you that throttle is that car will move toward the right. This means that Stewart had to know that is he hit the throttle with a man standing on the dirt to his right, that there’d be a good chance of the car hitting him.”

“To me, that’s reckless homicide. That’s manslaughter in the second-degree which is when you know that there is a risk of someone dying and you take this risk anyway…second degree manslaughter at the minimum,” said Becker.

According to New York State Statutes, which is the state in which the incident occurred, second-degree manslaughter could land a person in prison for one to 15 years.

Povero is making excuses for what happened.

Povero said visibility was a factor: Not only was the track poorly lit, but Ward was wearing a dark fire suit and black helmet at the time. He also said Stewart fully cooperated with investigators, and was distraught over Ward’s death.
Tony Stewart Skips Another Race, Investigation Could Take 'Months'

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WAS AT SPEEDWAY AND RIGHT NEAR TONY STEWARTS RACE HAULER.AFTER HE CAME IN HE HAD THE CREW CHAGE HIS RIGHT REAR TIRE .THEY ENDED UP PUTTING A LEFT ONE ON. COPS WERE TOLD ABOUT IT SO HOPEFULLY THEY DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT. HE ALSO HAD A GO PRO CAMERA ON HIS CAR HOPEFULLY THEY CONFISCATE THAT ALSO BEFORE THAT GETS DESTROYED. HEARD THE YOUNG DRIVER DIDN'T MAKE IT AND I HOPE IT'S NOT TRUE BUT THEY WOULDN'T BRING TONY OUT UNTIL ALL OTHER HAULERS WERE GONE .ALOT OF POLICE AROUND HIS HAULER ALONG WITH HIS PERSONEL SECURITY. HOPE IF THIS IS ALL TRUE WHAT HAPPENED ON THE TRACK THAT HE DOESN'T GET AWAY WITH IT. HE FINALLY LET HIS TEMPER GET THE BEST OF HIM........

“This was not a NASCAR race and they don't have radios and spotters at these events.”

The quote above is something that is commonly said. But, if you just look at the rule book. You see there are no prohibitions on such things.

http://canandaiguamotorsportspark.co...neralrules.pdf

This last article documents that there was a rivalry between TS and Kevin Ward. It makes the claim that TS did not know he made Kevin crash seem very doubtful. He did not know he caused the crash of a man he was feuding with? Come on?

Death of Kevin Ward Jr. blamed on rivalry he had with NASCAR champ Tony Stewart
Charlie Dorn, 21, said Stewart and Ward had clashed in previous races. Another racer, Tyler Graves, said Stewart could have avoided mowing down his rival. Stewart, a NASCAR star, has a brash driving style that earned him the nickname Smoke. He also has a long history of burning up the asphalt with his temper.
Death of Kevin Ward Jr. blamed on rivalry he had with NASCAR champ Tony Stewart - NY Daily News

P.S. Guys if you want to talk about my arguments, the articles and links posted I am up for that but not anything else.
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Old 08-27-2014, 11:12 AM
 
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The press is corrupt for the most part. I have no doubt that NASCAR is behind their star. The big outlets, with the exception of FOX's Fox and Friends morning show and Bob Becker, were all behind Stewart from day one. FOX's Bob Becker was claiming 2nd Degree Manslaughter at the very least in the beginning before he rolled back his story. Why did he change his story? IMO there is a cover up going on and the whole story reeks.

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Old 08-27-2014, 11:26 AM
 
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The press is corrupt for the most part. I have no doubt that NASCAR is behind their star. The big outlets, with the exception of FOX's Fox and Friends morning show and Bob Becker, were all behind Stewart from day one. FOX's Bob Becker was claiming 2nd Degree Manslaughter at the very least in the beginning before he rolled back his story. Why did he change his story? IMO there is a cover up going on and the whole story reeks.

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more conspiracies now? perhaps becker changed his mind AFTER reviewing what little evidence is out in public? that is the big problem with the news media these days. they start off big on a big story making big assumptions, and then either stop chasing the story, or make changes as evidence comes out, and cooler heads prevail.

perhaps you should take a que from them? perhaps the reason there are no charges pending right now is because there is no reason for said charges that you seem to be pushing for?
 
Old 08-27-2014, 12:00 PM
 
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Tmz's claim is not that Tony was kidnapped by a UFO or encountered Bigfoot. There is nothing sensational about their claim. If the reports are true, then there is no design to make Tony look bad. He is bad in this case. The reports do not come off as implausible. There are plenty of YouTubes of sprint car racers racing that used GoPro's to record their driving. It is certainly not out of the realm of possibility that he used one. There is no good reason to dismiss the story of hand because of the outlet it came from.

This is going to follow Tony around if he is exonerated of all charges. It is certainly a rational reason to believe that there is evidence tampering going on in this case. All one has to do is believe the reports are true. Again, this is not exactly on the same plane as UFO kidnappings or Bigfoot sightings. This is completely plausible.
To be exonerated of any charges FIRST one must be charged to begin with.. smfh.

Breaking news!!!!! Several sources and have claimed to have witnessed the infamous Spinoza paddidaling young alter boys along with local clergy. Many of these witnesses have claimed that they have seen him and said clergy video taping their sexual abuses. Legal experts have said that if the accused cannot provide said video to show that no wrong doing had gone on that the evidence is damning and both the clergy members and Spinoza face many years in prison.

Attempts to reach Spinoza went unanswered with no response from the accused to refute these allegations.

Wow. Youre right. The evidence looks damning Spinoza. Good luck fighting these charges. Maybe trouble could have been avoided by not hanging out in dark corners with half naked alter boys in the first place Spinoza.

See how nicely spouting off allegations with no actual evidence to back it up and no actual named witnesses works??
 
Old 08-27-2014, 12:07 PM
 
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To be exonerated of any charges FIRST one must be charged to begin with.. smfh.

Breaking news!!!!! Several sources and have claimed to have witnessed the infamous Spinoza paddidaling young alter boys along with local clergy. Many of these witnesses have claimed that they have seen him and said clergy video taping their sexual abuses. Legal experts have said that if the accused cannot provide said video to show that no wrong doing had gone on that the evidence is damning and both the clergy members and Spinoza face many years in prison.

Attempts to reach Spinoza went unanswered with no response from the accused to refute these allegations.

Wow. Youre right. The evidence looks damning Spinoza. Good luck fighting these charges. Maybe trouble could have been avoided by not hanging out in dark corners with half naked alter boys in the first place Spinoza.

See how nicely spouting off allegations with no actual evidence to back it up and no actual named witnesses works??
exactly, and just think how the media would react spinoza if you were a celebrity of any kind. TMZ would blow it up as a conspiracy of silence as to why no charges were being filed, and it would be sensationalized, but in a low key manner so as to avoid being sued.
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