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Old 08-15-2015, 02:03 PM
 
Location: Fort Worth, Texas
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nascar did that for a few decades. too many times over those few decades the champion was essentially crowned the race before the last one of the season. too many times the champion only had to finish 18th or better to win said championship. that meant that the points leader would run just fast enough to finish say 15th to allow for a small cushion. and that gets boring.
I would much rather go back to a system where the best driver all year wins the championship.

If a driver could clinch the championship a full race or two before the finale, they truly deserved it.

Now, the luckiest driver over the last ten races wins the championship instead of the best driver all year.

It's a shame that the credibility of the championship system was sacrificed for "excitement."
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Old 08-16-2015, 06:46 AM
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I would much rather go back to a system where the best driver all year wins the championship.

If a driver could clinch the championship a full race or two before the finale, they truly deserved it.

Now, the luckiest driver over the last ten races wins the championship instead of the best driver all year.

It's a shame that the credibility of the championship system was sacrificed for "excitement."
Agree completely.

I would like to see NASCAR go back to real racing and get rid of the "Lucky Dog", Wave Around.

If you are unfortunate enough to go a lap down too bad. You can make up that lap like Bill Elliott did at Talladega by unlapping yourself (twice) under green. Back when NASCAR was real racing.
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Old 08-16-2015, 09:20 AM
 
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I would much rather go back to a system where the best driver all year wins the championship.

If a driver could clinch the championship a full race or two before the finale, they truly deserved it.

Now, the luckiest driver over the last ten races wins the championship instead of the best driver all year.

It's a shame that the credibility of the championship system was sacrificed for "excitement."
let apply that logic to other sports then shall we? how about we no longer have the super bowl, and teh team with the best record wins the championship? how about we go back to the old days where teh college football champion was determined by the coaches and sports writers voting, and the bowl games were just window dressing at the end of the season. lets get rid of the ncaa basketball tournament, and just go to the polls to determine the national champion. lets get rid of the world series, put all the teams in one league, and the one who comes out on top wins the season championship.

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Agree completely.

I would like to see NASCAR go back to real racing and get rid of the "Lucky Dog", Wave Around.

If you are unfortunate enough to go a lap down too bad. You can make up that lap like Bill Elliott did at Talladega by unlapping yourself (twice) under green. Back when NASCAR was real racing.
one can still unlap themselves under green like elliot did back in the 80s, they just have to work at it like elliot did back then. the reason for the lucky dog was to stop everyone racing back to the caution flag, and the leader choosing to let teammates go by while preventing non team cars from getting their lap back. that created a hazard.

as for the wave around, that also has its place so no instead of you the leader having to run through a bunch of cars on the lead lap because you went into the pits, but they didnt, they go ahead and take their place at the back of the field, and you get clear track in front of you. which do you think is better?
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Old 08-16-2015, 10:15 AM
 
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Agree completely.

I would like to see NASCAR go back to real racing and get rid of the "Lucky Dog", Wave Around.

If you are unfortunate enough to go a lap down too bad. You can make up that lap like Bill Elliott did at Talladega by unlapping yourself (twice) under green. Back when NASCAR was real racing.
The free pass led to the ability to do side by side restarts.. Which have actually been great for racing, IMO. You eliminate the free pass, you go back to lap cars on the inside.

The side by side restarts led to the wave around being a possibility, because there were too many times where the leader was starting the race 15 cars back. While this one I could give up, because the cars fighting to stay on the lead lap often made a much more entertaining race.. There was nothing worse than seeing the leader taken out by a 30th place car. Still happens, but much less.

You come to a green-white-checkered, which again, is something great.. I remember lots of races ending under caution back in the day.. The top 6 all have a legitimate shot at winning. If you had a late restart back in the 90's, anywhere other than Daytona/Talledega.. It was pretty much the top 2, perhaps the third place car had a shot..
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:02 PM
 
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Agree completely.

I would like to see NASCAR go back to real racing and get rid of the "Lucky Dog", Wave Around.

If you are unfortunate enough to go a lap down too bad. You can make up that lap like Bill Elliott did at Talladega by unlapping yourself (twice) under green. Back when NASCAR was real racing.
The lucky dog was put in place for driver safety, particularly when racing back to the caution with car(s) disabled on the front stretch.
Also the parity has eliminated any possibility of anyone duplicating another Bill Elliot.
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Old 08-16-2015, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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In other news, NASCAR needs to take their high-drag aero package concept and throw it away. Both Indy and Michigan were terrible.
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Old 08-16-2015, 04:56 PM
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The lucky dog was put in place for driver safety, particularly when racing back to the caution with car(s) disabled on the front stretch.
Also the parity has eliminated any possibility of anyone duplicating another Bill Elliot.
But most everybody complains how bad the racing is these days. So those changes did not make for better racing.

IMO the Lucky dog was put in place so when a favored driver had some misfortune he got a second chance.

Back in the day a restart after a caution was restarting the race in about the same position before the caution.

Now everybody gets a second chance and if the leader has a dominant car he gets penalized for being too fast.
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Old 08-17-2015, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Atlanta
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Not necessarily a big fan of the Lucky Dog but i do like the side by side restarts which prior to the lucky dog, you had lapped cars inside the leader which put the second place car at a distinct disadvantage.... JMO
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:53 PM
 
Location: Atlanta
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SHR announced that Danica will have a press conference tomorrow.. either to announce a new sponsor or perhaps she is looking for a new ride/sponsor??
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Old 08-17-2015, 12:56 PM
 
Location: Aurora, CO
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SHR announced that Danica will have a press conference tomorrow.. either to announce a new sponsor or perhaps she is looking for a new ride/sponsor??
New sponsor is the logical choice. If she doesn't up her game this will probably be her last hurrah in NASCAR.

I can honestly see her heading back to IndyCar if NASCAR doesn't work out. That series is in even more trouble than NASCAR is.
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