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Old 10-21-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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^^yep. You block you get moved out the way. Blocking isn't racing but if you allow it then you have to allow the consequences. Every driver out there has been guilty of both and every one of them complains. It really makes them look dumb. You blocked the field, the field moved you - move on.

The Napa 24?! Bleh. Mikey better not be involved here. Man Chase has some shoes to fill though. No pressure! haha
actually blocking IS racing, just like moving the blocker out of the way is also racing.

as for chase, i think he has the talent and the drive to fill gordons shoes, and he certainly has the temperament to be a top notch sprint cup driver.
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Old 10-22-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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Countering a move is racing, back and forth across the track is blocking - that ain't racing. Well, not quality racing. But that's the mess NASCAR created.
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Old 10-22-2015, 02:08 PM
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Countering a move is racing, back and forth across the track is blocking - that ain't racing. Well, not quality racing. But that's the mess NASCAR created.
NASCAR has always been about banging fenders and trading paint and even spinning somebody out.

I have been to almost every type of racing you can think of and none of them has the excitement and action of NASCAR.

That's why they have F1 and Indy Car. Different strokes.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:02 AM
 
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Yes and no. Blocking has always been around and guys have moved the blockers. Fair enough, but a better car would be a better option. One that allowed drivers to get past the dreaded aero-loose. Any fool can move another car out of the way, a racer drives around another car.
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Old 10-23-2015, 11:06 AM
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Yes and no. Blocking has always been around and guys have moved the blockers. Fair enough, but a better car would be a better option. One that allowed drivers to get past the dreaded aero-loose. Any fool can move another car out of the way, a racer drives around another car.
"better car" is what F1 is all about. NASCAR is about fairly even cars and "better drivers".
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Old 10-23-2015, 02:32 PM
 
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Yes and no. Blocking has always been around and guys have moved the blockers. Fair enough, but a better car would be a better option. One that allowed drivers to get past the dreaded aero-loose. Any fool can move another car out of the way, a racer drives around another car.
the use of the "chrome horn" is a time honored tradition in nascar racing. it even predates nascar itself. it in fact goes back to when ridge runners would race each other on dirt tracks to decide who was the better driver.

and by the way, when you are running full bodied race cars, you will always get the aero-loose and aero-tight phenomenon just because of the very nature of the cars themselves. remember that F1 and indycars try to use the air that flows under the cars to pull the race car down to the track, as well as use the air flowing over the top of the cars to also create down force, where as the stock cars can only use the air flowing over the top of the cars to do the same thing, which means the air behind them is much "dirtier" than air behind the F1 and indycars are.
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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Yes the chrome horn is a tradition but has little in common with modern racing. The aero can be mitigated with spoilers and such. It could be better that's all.

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"better car" is what F1 is all about. NASCAR is about fairly even cars and "better drivers".
haha
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:23 AM
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Yes the chrome horn is a tradition but has little in common with modern racing. The aero can be mitigated with spoilers and such. It could be better that's all.



haha
When I say better drivers I mean among NASCAR drivers. F1 drivers are in a different league and we all know that the few that have tried NASCAR failed miserably.

There is another forum for F1 fans so we try not to embarrass them here.
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Old 10-24-2015, 11:53 AM
 
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Yes the chrome horn is a tradition but has little in common with modern racing. The aero can be mitigated with spoilers and such. It could be better that's all.
not true. sure the aero part can be mitigated somewhat, but the chrome horn still is used today, it has been and always will be used in nascar since it is an effective tool.
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Old 10-24-2015, 04:38 PM
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Kenseth being a baby.
I was a Kenseth fan years back and he was always a milquetoast kind of driver shying away from confrontation. But then he joined Gibbs Racing and started winning more races and becomes a tough guy when he thinks he's been done wrong.
Tackles Keselosky after a race incident and now is crying about Logano taking him out.

The majority of former racers turned broadcaster seem the think both Kenseth (blocking) and Logano (spinning him out) did nothing wrong.

Kenseth should grow a pair and quit crying.
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