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Old 02-24-2016, 10:07 PM
 
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Like the pro wrestler Ted Debiase used to say "everyone has his price."
Ford needs a premier team and Penske can't do it with two cars. Rousch and RPM sure as hell aren't going to get the job done.
I'd say here's the more logical point.. Ford added youth.

Penske is 79, Roush is 73, Petty is 78. The Woods are 90 and 81.

The only one there with continuity would be the Woods. That'll stay in the family.

I brought this up before.. In the next 10 years or so, we're going to have a massive shift in team ownership. In addition to the above.. Joe Gibbs is in his 70's and the succession plan with JD has now gone out the window, though that team will stay in the family. Childress is 70, and that team will likely stay in the family. Rick Hendrick is 66.. Not sure what will become of that if something happened to him.. I don't necessarily see that staying in the family with Ricky out of the picture.

The sport, from ownership side, will be unrecognizable soon.
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Old 02-25-2016, 12:15 AM
 
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Some drivers will be back to their racing roots, on motorcycles, this Saturday night. At least from the starting line to the first corner:

Supercross Holeshot Challenge Brings NASCAR'S Biggest Stars to Atlanta - Motorcycle USA
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:32 AM
 
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Some drivers will be back to their racing roots, on motorcycles, this Saturday night. At least from the starting line to the first corner:

Supercross Holeshot Challenge Brings NASCAR'S Biggest Stars to Atlanta - Motorcycle USA
I'll bet their insurance companies are sooooo happy they're doing this...
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Old 02-25-2016, 06:56 AM
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I'd say here's the more logical point.. Ford added youth.

Penske is 79, Roush is 73, Petty is 78. The Woods are 90 and 81.

The only one there with continuity would be the Woods. That'll stay in the family.

I brought this up before.. In the next 10 years or so, we're going to have a massive shift in team ownership. In addition to the above.. Joe Gibbs is in his 70's and the succession plan with JD has now gone out the window, though that team will stay in the family. Childress is 70, and that team will likely stay in the family. Rick Hendrick is 66.. Not sure what will become of that if something happened to him.. I don't necessarily see that staying in the family with Ricky out of the picture.

The sport, from ownership side, will be unrecognizable soon.
We look at NASCAR as fans, sometimes as driver fans and sometimes as manufacturer fans.
The team owners look at NASCAR as a business and sticking to one brand can be bad for business.

Penske has won with Ford, General motors, Chrysler, and American motors so there is no brand loyalty involved with RP. A good racing organization can win with any brand if he has good financial backing.

If Hendrick wanted to run Ford or Toyota he would still win as many races as he does right now.

It's only die hard fans who believe one brand is better than the other of course they aren't spending their money on a race team.

IMO Ford is looking to win the manufacturers championship and the only way to do that is just how Chevy has done it for years. You put more of your cars on the track than the other guys and the odds are in your favor.

With SHR going to Ford it removes four top tier Chevys off the track and replaces them with four top tier Fords.

When Ganassi announces he is also going to Ford thats two more Chevy gone.
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Old 02-25-2016, 05:51 PM
 
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I'd say here's the more logical point.. Ford added youth.

Penske is 79, Roush is 73, Petty is 78. The Woods are 90 and 81.

The only one there with continuity would be the Woods. That'll stay in the family.

I brought this up before.. In the next 10 years or so, we're going to have a massive shift in team ownership. In addition to the above.. Joe Gibbs is in his 70's and the succession plan with JD has now gone out the window, though that team will stay in the family. Childress is 70, and that team will likely stay in the family. Rick Hendrick is 66.. Not sure what will become of that if something happened to him.. I don't necessarily see that staying in the family with Ricky out of the picture.

The sport, from ownership side, will be unrecognizable soon.
With the exception of Petty, you raise a good point especially from a future perspective. But right now Ford is thin on talent and I wouldn't be surprised to see Roush get nudged off to the side. The Petty family discovered notoriety can only go so far without results backing it up.
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Old 02-25-2016, 07:30 PM
 
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With the exception of Petty, you raise a good point especially from a future perspective. But right now Ford is thin on talent and I wouldn't be surprised to see Roush get nudged off to the side. The Petty family discovered notoriety can only go so far without results backing it up.
Petty is just a figurehead at this point. If he owns any of that company, it's a very, very small percentage.

That team is poised to breakthrough.. They made a bad hire with Hornish (Not a bad driver, bad fit there) and another one with Brian Scott, though he was hired for sponsorship, I believe.

I like Almirola.. I've been saying he's going to be a good, solid driver since back in his Gibbs days. He needs a veteran teammate, and I think he.. Not becomes a top driver, but a driver who wins one or two races a year fairly reliably. And yes, in Petty equipment.

That team, I feel, is just missing small pieces of the puzzle.
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Old 02-26-2016, 06:29 AM
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Petty is just a figurehead at this point. If he owns any of that company, it's a very, very small percentage.

That team is poised to breakthrough.. They made a bad hire with Hornish (Not a bad driver, bad fit there) and another one with Brian Scott, though he was hired for sponsorship, I believe.

I like Almirola.. I've been saying he's going to be a good, solid driver since back in his Gibbs days. He needs a veteran teammate, and I think he.. Not becomes a top driver, but a driver who wins one or two races a year fairly reliably. And yes, in Petty equipment.

That team, I feel, is just missing small pieces of the puzzle.
Where do you get those puzzle pieces?

Agree on Hornish, more proof that winning open wheel drivers don't necessarily become winning NASCAR drivers. Pretty sure Penske recognized that. SHR sure knows it.

NASCAR is no different than MLB or the NFL, there are only so many elite players available weather it's drivers or engineers or mechanics.
Hendrick recoginized that,Gibbs, Penske,SHR all recognized that and thats why those teams win.

Jack Roush tried to win with last years stars and you see where that got him. Only now is he trying to bring in better players but the pool has thinned out.
RPM is in the same situation. Where are they going to get elite players?

Ford signing SHR is one of the biggest moves in NASCAR history. They bought half of Hendricks team.

BTW, If i'm a Hendricks engineer and SHR needs a few new top shelf engines, I think i'm saving them for Elliott, Johnson or Jr.
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Old 02-26-2016, 07:36 AM
 
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Would have been a nice opportunity for Dodge to jump back in with a top tier team. But it's tough to be in NASCAR with only one team. Dodge needs to get back into the Camping World series and build from there.
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Old 02-26-2016, 09:08 AM
 
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Where do you get those puzzle pieces?

Agree on Hornish, more proof that winning open wheel drivers don't necessarily become winning NASCAR drivers. Pretty sure Penske recognized that. SHR sure knows it.

NASCAR is no different than MLB or the NFL, there are only so many elite players available weather it's drivers or engineers or mechanics.
Hendrick recoginized that,Gibbs, Penske,SHR all recognized that and thats why those teams win.

Jack Roush tried to win with last years stars and you see where that got him. Only now is he trying to bring in better players but the pool has thinned out.
RPM is in the same situation. Where are they going to get elite players?

Ford signing SHR is one of the biggest moves in NASCAR history. They bought half of Hendricks team.

BTW, If i'm a Hendricks engineer and SHR needs a few new top shelf engines, I think i'm saving them for Elliott, Johnson or Jr.
Agree about SHR.. I think they're going to have a tough year because Hendrick is not going to be in full information sharing mode knowing they're leaving.

Petty could get a top of the line crew chief now.. Especially if they got a top of the line driver.. Where do they get that? Well.. I don't think you get "The Next Big Thing".. And you're not getting a Harvick, Logano, Keselowski or similar.. But.. I do think they could get a Kenseth. Winding down his career, but still a top notch driver. I don't think he re-signs with Gibbs, because I think they're going to move Erik Jones up.. Though there is a possibility they farm either Kenseth or Jones over to Furniture Row.

A move like that, along with a strong crew chief for both Almirola and Kenseth, I think could bump Petty into an contender. Would it keep them there? Would depend on what they do when Kenseth retires, which I think would be within 5 years of today.

Guaranteed? Of course not.
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Old 02-26-2016, 06:36 PM
 
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I'll be interested to see what happens at Atlanta.. A VERY fast track, with the new low downforce package. Think you might see a fair number of incidents as this will no doubt be the fastest track they've run this package on.
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