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Old 07-25-2016, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Upstate
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I believe this is due to NASCAR and it's mass production of cookie cutter cars.
Well, whatever is causing it, NASCAR needs to fix it. The TV ratings from the Indy race were at an all time low for that race. 3.62 vs 3.65 last year.

Even Jeff & Tony couldn't even save NASCAR. Maybe all the Jr fans turned their TV off?
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Old 07-25-2016, 12:51 PM
 
Location: Upstate
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Had Gibbs stayed with GM he would be winning at about the same rate as Hendrick does, not very often.
Had Toyota not enticed Gibbs to move from Chevy, TRD probably wouldn't be as far as they have gotten with just BK Motorsports and Furniture Row. Chevy most likely would have still been dominating. With JGR's talent (that is if he would have these current drivers under Chevy), he could have certainly been at HMS level by now. Which would meant more wins for JGR.

TRD needed a big name/pocketed owner willing to take the gamble.
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Old 07-25-2016, 04:17 PM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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He was winning in Chevy and Pontiacs with a 1 car team.

Toyota's engine program pretty much is JGR's engine program. They bought it. Gibbs got Mark Cronquist from Hendrick when he brought his engine program in house.. Best move he ever made.



Had Gibbs stayed with GM, we'd be talking about Chevy being dominant. Toyota didn't win squat until Gibbs joined them.

Toyota has about 5 wins that are NOT from Gibbs in cup.

Gibbs would have been the #2 or #3 Chevy team. Behind Hendrick and perhaps Stewart-Hass.

The last time RFR was winning races was when they had Edwards and Kenseth.. They've been gone and RFR hasn't won anything since. It's not a problem with Fords, it's a problem with RFR and their driver lineup. Why is it a problem with RFR? Because Edwards and Kenseth went to Gibbs and are winning.. So doesn't that mean it's Toyota? Not really.. Because you have Keselowski and Logano winning fairly consistently in Fords.
You have a short memory, Kenseth left Roush when he was no longer winning blaming it on Favoritism to Edwards. Carl hung on one more year or two and when he saw how Kenseth was winning with Gibbs he went to Gibbs.

Has nothing to do with drivers at RFR it has everything to do with Jack Roush. Still thinks you can win with 1990 setups.

Keselowski and Logano are not winning on speed, they are winning on pit strategy and a little luck.

It's all about TRD (Toyota factory racing ) building more HP than the other guys.

First they dominated trucks, then Exfinity and now Cup. They are just outspending everybody else and they have top tier drivers in every division.

When one brand dominates the fans stay home.
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Old 07-25-2016, 05:46 PM
 
Location: the sticks
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Can someone tell me why they go to Loudon NH TWICE A SEASON ? Quite a crowd up there, at least 20K. real nascar roots up there buddy.
attendance, I'll tell you the problem, #@$&! ticket prices is one of 'em...

NASCAR executive on Indy: ‘We’ve got to put on the racing people want to see’ – NASCAR Talk
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Old 07-25-2016, 11:48 PM
 
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Toyota offered more than Gm and that's why he switched. Toyota didn't just step up they're stepping all over the other brands.
gee, toyota offering more money to a team owner, and that team owner jumps through hoops to get that money, what a concept

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So you don't have a problem with Toyota dominating??
no i dont have a problem with toyota dominating racing. that will change in the future at some point, and perhaps ford will dominate again for a while, then perhaps chevy will step up again. maybe even dodge will step in and dominate for a while.
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Old 07-26-2016, 06:48 AM
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Location: The Sand Hills of NC
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gee, toyota offering more money to a team owner, and that team owner jumps through hoops to get that money, what a concept



no i dont have a problem with toyota dominating racing. that will change in the future at some point, and perhaps ford will dominate again for a while, then perhaps chevy will step up again. maybe even dodge will step in and dominate for a while.

And yet people wonder why the stands are only half full.
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Old 07-26-2016, 07:48 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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And yet people wonder why the stands are only half full.
Are the stands "half empty" or "half full"...

I wish Fiat/Dodge would get back in. Maybe put a Hemi in a Pope mobile Fiat 500?
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Old 07-26-2016, 01:19 PM
 
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And yet people wonder why the stands are only half full.
perhaps because it is too expensive to attend a race in person?
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Old 07-27-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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perhaps because it is too expensive to attend a race in person?
I say the same about the NFL yet they can still attract working "Joe's " who will dish out half their weekly paycheck to attend an NFL game on Sunday.


Not many empty seats at NFL games.
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Old 07-27-2016, 01:01 PM
 
Location: Cincinnati, OH
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The issue with attendance is hotel costs, which are beyond ridiculous at this point. I forget which track it was, but one hotel was charging $699 per night.
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