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Old 10-25-2016, 10:30 AM
 
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A combination of plate racing and the Chase gave us yesterday's strange Talladega race.
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:45 AM
 
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Who won? Did you get "the big one?"
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Old 10-25-2016, 11:51 AM
 
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That's what the restrictor plate does not allow you to do.

Many of us old timers prefer no restrictor plates. A rear gear rule will keep the speeds under control. The only thing a restrictor plate does is keep the cars in a pack which leads to the big ones

Brian France says he likes pack racing so restrictor plates are not going away.

I hate restrictor plates but both Keselosky and Logano were able to pass other cars.
You must be really old.
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Old 10-25-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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As to the JGR strategy, that's a terrible thing for racing. Is it smart in the current system, of course. But its racing not pointing. That's a big deal when cars capable of winning don't bother. Sure if they have a 30th place car then whatever, but those guys could have won and should have tried. It looks bad and is pretty disappointing for their fans. And yes, points racing is as old as nascar (as is Jarrett's sit at that the back however he tried to win at some point) but this is a new low.
that depends on what the end goal is. if the end goal is to just win races, then you are right, the JGR strategy blows. however if the end goal is to win the championship, and to have just your drivers running for the championship, then the strategy makes sense. right now ALL FOUR gibbs cars have moved to the round of eight. their end game is to get all four gibbs cars into the final race, and let the gibbs drivers fight it out ofr the championship.
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Old 10-25-2016, 01:50 PM
 
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that depends on what the end goal is. if the end goal is to just win races, then you are right, the JGR strategy blows. however if the end goal is to win the championship, and to have just your drivers running for the championship, then the strategy makes sense. right now ALL FOUR gibbs cars have moved to the round of eight. their end game is to get all four gibbs cars into the final race, and let the gibbs drivers fight it out ofr the championship.
I think they really violated the spirit of the rules though didn't break any.

Had they fallen to the back to allow another driver to advance their position, much as what happened with MWR a few years back.. That's when they would have run afoul of the rules.

Enforcement is a problem in that, tho.. At least at plate tracks. Running at the back is a legit strategy.. And at times, you get bit by it.. Yeah, Jarrett won a race doing it, but I also recall him getting trapped a lap down after losing the draft a couple of times using that strategy.

They could technically sandbag by intentionally speeding down pit road.. Which would be a pass through penalty and knock them a lap down.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:00 PM
 
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I think they really violated the spirit of the rules though didn't break any.

Had they fallen to the back to allow another driver to advance their position, much as what happened with MWR a few years back.. That's when they would have run afoul of the rules.

Enforcement is a problem in that, tho.. At least at plate tracks. Running at the back is a legit strategy.. And at times, you get bit by it.. Yeah, Jarrett won a race doing it, but I also recall him getting trapped a lap down after losing the draft a couple of times using that strategy.

They could technically sandbag by intentionally speeding down pit road.. Which would be a pass through penalty and knock them a lap down.
That term opens a whole gigantic grey area that allows for arbitrary enforcement- don't like it much.
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Old 10-25-2016, 04:29 PM
 
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I think they really violated the spirit of the rules though didn't break any.
really? remember when the "chase" was and the champion was crowned based on the number of points they earned over the season? and remember how in the last race of the season the person that won the championship basically only had to finish in 18th place to win the championship, regardless of what the second place in points did? did you object then to the leader in the points playing it safe and running in say 14th all day long so as to avoid s much as possible the possibility of someone wrecking him and knocking him out of a championship?

i see nothing wrong with what the gibbs cars did sunday to move onto the next round. they did what they had to do.
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Old 10-25-2016, 09:22 PM
 
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really? remember when the "chase" was and the champion was crowned based on the number of points they earned over the season? and remember how in the last race of the season the person that won the championship basically only had to finish in 18th place to win the championship, regardless of what the second place in points did? did you object then to the leader in the points playing it safe and running in say 14th all day long so as to avoid s much as possible the possibility of someone wrecking him and knocking him out of a championship?

i see nothing wrong with what the gibbs cars did sunday to move onto the next round. they did what they had to do.
One year with Earnhardt Sr poised to win a championship all he needed was to finish Atlanta somewhere around 30th place. RCR fielded two cars that race, the other being Neil Bonnet. When the attrition approached the cut off spot RCR had Bonnet park to ensure Sr would win the championship regardless.
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Old 10-25-2016, 10:18 PM
 
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One year with Earnhardt Sr poised to win a championship all he needed was to finish Atlanta somewhere around 30th place. RCR fielded two cars that race, the other being Neil Bonnet. When the attrition approached the cut off spot RCR had Bonnet park to ensure Sr would win the championship regardless.
yep, there have even been a few times where teh points leader only needed to start the final race to win the championship. in the end the points leader just rode around all day in the middle of the pack.

at least now everyone in the chase has to be smart about racing, and moving on. build a nice points cushion in the first two races, and run hard enough to make the cut without having to necessarily worry about breaking an engine and being put out of the next round, or having someone do something stupid and again being caught up and being put out of the next round.

homestead though, everyone is going to have to race for the championship.
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Old 10-26-2016, 06:38 AM
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I would like to see one adjustment made to the playoff points system.

Since only one of 16 cars can win the championship and they are in a playoff within a regular season race why do they accumulate points just like the non chasers?

I suggest the chasers accumulate points within their own group of chasers. 16 points for the highest finishing chaser and 1 point for the lowest finishing racer.

This would allow the spread for winners vs losers to remain much closer and allow for the possibility that a poor finish would not lock them out completely from advancing.

The second round it would be 12 points highest finisher.
The third round 8 points.

A win would still get you to the next round but a 40th place finish would not eliminate you completely.

Just a thought.
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