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Old 02-10-2016, 08:06 AM
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Probably a good thing for the owners to finally be able to recoup some if their investment.

Just disappointed that the Wood Brothers were left out. Seems some kind of deal could have been worked out to get NASCAR's oldest established team a Charter.

Interesting that Wall street weasel Rob Kaufman is the first beneficiary of selling a Charter. I thought MW racing closed the doors yet Kaufman still owns a Charter (two). I guess that's what happens when you let a NY Wall street-er take charge of the owners alliance.

Kaufman in, the Wood brothers out.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:46 AM
 
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Those two charters are being sold.. Stewart-Hass for Kurt Busch's team and Gibbs for Edwards' team.

Cutting the field to 40 cars is the part I'm not a huge fan of. Your short tracks.. Bristol, Martinsville, Dover.. No problem, but.. Intermediate and big tracks..

Wood Brothers would have been in if they had been full time the past 7 years. What I haven't figured out reading through all this yet.. How do the Woods get a charter? Do they have to wait for someone to sell one? Or lease one from one of the 36? I mean.. You figure RCR or Penske might expand down the road.. It still benefits the larger teams, because smaller teams wouldn't be able to afford a charter. You think Carl Long would be able to afford a charter?
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Old 02-10-2016, 06:30 PM
 
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cutting the field to 40 cars does make pit road a bit safer in the long run, larger pit boxes, and fewer cars on pit road will help in that aspect.

as for the wood brothers, getting a charter for them should be easy enough, they can buy out another small team that even with a charter is still financially in trouble and needs to sell out.
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Old 02-10-2016, 10:54 PM
 
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cutting the field to 40 cars does make pit road a bit safer in the long run, larger pit boxes, and fewer cars on pit road will help in that aspect.

as for the wood brothers, getting a charter for them should be easy enough, they can buy out another small team that even with a charter is still financially in trouble and needs to sell out.
Not if one of the big teams wants it.. They just do a bidding war until they spend more than the Woods are able.

And.. Something else I haven't seen.. How does this affect the 4 car limit per team? or does it?

FRR 10 years ago was an upstart that is now a legitimate team. Front Row, Tommy Baldwin and BK Racing are desperately trying to get there.

They might be the only one, but I love those stories, and I love pulling for teams like that.

Now, where is a sponsor going to take their money? To someone who is guaranteed a spot in the field or someone who has a shot at 4 spots in the field? Oh, but make that a shot at 3 if a past champion is in the field.

I liked the old 'top 35' rule better than this.
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Old 02-11-2016, 05:58 AM
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Not if one of the big teams wants it.. They just do a bidding war until they spend more than the Woods are able.

And.. Something else I haven't seen.. How does this affect the 4 car limit per team? or does it?

FRR 10 years ago was an upstart that is now a legitimate team. Front Row, Tommy Baldwin and BK Racing are desperately trying to get there.

They might be the only one, but I love those stories, and I love pulling for teams like that.

Now, where is a sponsor going to take their money? To someone who is guaranteed a spot in the field or someone who has a shot at 4 spots in the field? Oh, but make that a shot at 3 if a past champion is in the field.

I liked the old 'top 35' rule better than this.
I question why a closed team, MW racing, was given a Charter? Other than to allow Kaufman to sells his shares and he is part owner in another team. Seems like typical Wall Street shyster deal.
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Old 02-11-2016, 03:17 PM
 
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I question why a closed team, MW racing, was given a Charter? Other than to allow Kaufman to sells his shares and he is part owner in another team. Seems like typical Wall Street shyster deal.
I agree, but also understand where they're coming from..

First off, the TRUE answer, I think, is that Kaufman was leading the owners council on this.

But.. They did JUST shut down and since the purpose of this is to put some value to team owners.. In a strange way, it makes sense. Especially since he hadn't sold off the points.

Of course.. We could go back a few years and say "Well, why not 'grandfather' charters to Red Bull Racing? Argument, I guess, could be that is now basically Red Bull Racing.
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Old 02-12-2016, 07:16 AM
 
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I think this charter system is a shame to NASCAR fans. It's all about the money. Now 36 teams, if you buy or lease a charter, are guaranteed a spot in every race. Even if you qualify poorly. Small teams will struggle for those remaining four spots.

Racing?? Nahhhh....SHOW ME THE MONEY...that's NASCAR now.
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Old 02-12-2016, 07:44 AM
 
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I think this charter system is a shame to NASCAR fans. It's all about the money. Now 36 teams, if you buy or lease a charter, are guaranteed a spot in every race. Even if you qualify poorly. Small teams will struggle for those remaining four spots.

Racing?? Nahhhh....SHOW ME THE MONEY...that's NASCAR now.
I couldnt agree more!!!!!
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Old 02-12-2016, 07:48 AM
 
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Don't forget the new overtime line:

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For all three NASCAR national series, a race may be concluded with overtime, consisting of a new procedure for a green-white-checkered flag finish featuring an "overtime line." The location of the overtime line will vary by track.

After taking the green on the overtime restart, if the leader then passes the overtime line on the first lap under green before a caution comes out (a "clean restart"), it will be considered a valid green-white-checkered attempt. However, if a caution comes out before the leader passes the overtime line on the first lap under green, it will not be considered a valid attempt, and a subsequent attempt will be made. If necessary, multiple subsequent attempts will be made until a valid attempt occurs.

Once a valid attempt is achieved (clean restart), it will become the only attempt at a green-white-checkered finish. If a caution comes out at any time during the valid green-white-checkered attempt, the field will be frozen and the checkered/yellow or checkered/red displayed to cars at the finish line.
'Overtime line' part of tweaked G-W-C procedure | NASCAR.com
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Old 02-12-2016, 10:27 AM
 
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i have mixed feelings on all this, the charter system sounds good, but limits new teams.
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