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Old 09-25-2017, 01:49 PM
 
Location: Island of Misfit Toys
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Disappointed in Petty but he is old and not very educated. Childress I already knew was an idiot. Jr got it right and proud he understands whats going on.
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Old 09-26-2017, 07:07 AM
 
Location: Upstate
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Disappointed in Petty but he is old and not very educated. Childress I already knew was an idiot. Jr got it right and proud he understands whats going on.
Here is what Jr said:

All Americans R granted rights 2 peaceful protests
Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable-JFK

- Dale Earnhardt Jr. (@DaleJr) September 25, 2017

He is 100% right. NO ONE is denying a peaceful protest on your own time. Protest peacefully all you want.

But in the NFL or especially NASCAR, you are representing your team and sponsor, who are paying you. The sponsor may even have a clause in the contract on how you act outside of work as well.

But Jr is right, peaceful protest is a right protected by the Americans who died to defend that right.
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Old 09-26-2017, 09:24 AM
 
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He is 100% right. NO ONE is denying a peaceful protest on your own time. Protest peacefully all you want.

But in the NFL or especially NASCAR, you are representing your team and sponsor, who are paying you. The sponsor may even have a clause in the contract on how you act outside of work as well.

But Jr is right, peaceful protest is a right protected by the Americans who died to defend that right.
It's like the whole freedom of speech thing.. Yes, you are protected from being arrested for your speech.. However.. ask the Dixie Chicks or many, many other people about how it turns out. Remember the guy who berated a Chick-Fil-A employee in the drive-thru and videotaped himself and thought he'd be this big social justice hero?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/money...moir/70629290/
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Old 09-26-2017, 03:55 PM
 
Location: Tampa, FL
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But in the NFL or especially NASCAR, you are representing your team and sponsor, who are paying you. The sponsor may even have a clause in the contract on how you act outside of work as well.
Owners in NFL have allowed it. Teammates have supported it. Not sure about sponsors, but perhaps they won't have to pay the team/NFL/player. Sounds like no rules have been broken by the players in their silent protest.

I'm not going to depend on NASCAR to make any social waves - do they even have an African American driver or fan base? I wouldn't expect NASCAR to do anything that might come across as socially disruptive.
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Old 09-26-2017, 04:04 PM
 
Location: Amelia Island
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My take is we are bombarded through social media, the news, friends, family, and co-workers with every conspiracy theory, different party rhetoric, opinions on culture, racism, healthcare and what ever else that is now considered news since the election each week Monday through Friday.

Saturday and Sunday were days off for a lot of us at least every couple of weeks. This was time to decompress and enjoy a little time off. Now some of those same topics are being thrust in our laps through sporting events. I didn't turn on the NFL this weekend do to work, so I was pretty caught off guard when looking for scores to see so much emphasis on what had happened at the games. I had not heard about what happened in advance of the weekend. My friends say the some sportscasters doing the games spent time talking about it during the games.

The NFL can weather a storm, NASCAR can not.

Americans are getting tired, they still care but they are worn out.

My three cents
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Old 09-26-2017, 05:05 PM
 
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Owners in NFL have allowed it. Teammates have supported it. Not sure about sponsors, but perhaps they won't have to pay the team/NFL/player. Sounds like no rules have been broken by the players in their silent protest.

I'm not going to depend on NASCAR to make any social waves - do they even have an African American driver or fan base? I wouldn't expect NASCAR to do anything that might come across as socially disruptive.
dont forget that the NFL teams and players dont really have to take care of their sponsors, nascar teams do. insult a sponsor in the NFL, and they just pull their advertising money, and someone else replaces it. in nascar however, when a sponsor pulls their advertising money, the individual teams suffer greatly, and without the millions they get each year, yes they will fold.
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Old 09-28-2017, 11:48 AM
 
Location: Hickory, NC
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Licking corporate and government boot. As American as apple pie.
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Old 09-28-2017, 01:19 PM
 
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Licking corporate and government boot. As American as apple pie.
go buy your own race team, and then cone up with the $25 million per year to run the team for a full season without corporate or any other kind of sponsorship, and then come back as say that.
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Old 09-29-2017, 06:59 PM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Disappointed in Petty but he is old and not very educated. Childress I already knew was an idiot. Jr got it right and proud he understands whats going on.
Actually they're all correct in that while at work one has to act in such a manner that is acceptable to ones employer. That company owner has a duty to his company to think about the CUSTOMER who PAYS for the whole thing to start with and what that CUSTOMER would think/say/do should they take offense. Customer includes sponsors who also have responsibilities to their bottom line.

Unless bound by contract one can somewhat do what one wants on ones own time but not when on the clock.
NASCAR has enough issues without adding this kneeling sideshow to them.
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Old 09-30-2017, 09:24 AM
 
Location: Island of Misfit Toys
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Professional sports is the exception, especially given the public arenas, public funds, and leagues draping themselves in the flag. Then the athletes get a say. Nascar drivers are all white as is the base so can't imagine anyone would get involved.
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