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Old 10-03-2017, 03:40 PM
 
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lao down cars do not have to move over because the leader is coming through, this isnt formula one, this is real racing son.

Now, different situation here because Newman was fighting to stay on the lead lap.


BUT.. Lap down cars SHOULD move over, unless they are racing for position with another car. If the situation were that Newman was a lap down at the time, and he took Chase's line.. Then while he isn't required to move over, I can certainly say that Chase would remember it the next time he was a lap down and Newman was trying to get by him.


So.. In that situation, which is not THIS situation.. It would have behooved Newman to move out of the way.



Back in the day.. People like Earnhardt would enforce the "Gentleman's Agreement"
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Old 10-03-2017, 03:47 PM
 
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Now, different situation here because Newman was fighting to stay on the lead lap.


BUT.. Lap down cars SHOULD move over, unless they are racing for position with another car. If the situation were that Newman was a lap down at the time, and he took Chase's line.. Then while he isn't required to move over, I can certainly say that Chase would remember it the next time he was a lap down and Newman was trying to get by him.


So.. In that situation, which is not THIS situation.. It would have behooved Newman to move out of the way.



Back in the day.. People like Earnhardt would enforce the "Gentleman's Agreement"
actually drivers are told in the meetings that lap down cars should hold their line and let the leader pass on whichever side they choose.
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Old 10-03-2017, 04:12 PM
 
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grow up. newman was trying to stay on the lead lap because, as i have noted before, if he was on the lead lap when the caution came out, then he gets to restart with the lead lap cars. on the other hand if he gets the lucky dog position, he has to start at the end of the longest line, and that would guarantee that he would have no chance to pick up the two spots he needed to move to the next round.

so stop crying because your driver didnt win the race. if the leader wanted to pass him, he needed to figure a line that would let him get around newman. lao down cars do not have to move over because the leader is coming through, this isnt formula one, this is real racing son.

if you want to watch pantywaist racing, then there are plenty of series out there for you to watch.
Seriously, what is wrong with you? You name call and go to insults for opinions you donít like? Itís bizarre. Makes responding completely pointless. I really think you need self-examine why you need to insult people.

As to rest, you seem to be the one that doesnít understand racing. 20th place has no standing, a lap down even less.
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Old 10-03-2017, 05:53 PM
 
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Seriously, what is wrong with you? You name call and go to insults for opinions you donít like? Itís bizarre. Makes responding completely pointless. I really think you need self-examine why you need to insult people.

As to rest, you seem to be the one that doesnít understand racing. 20th place has no standing, a lap down even less.
you dont understand what newman was racing for, and that means YOU dont understand what was going on, even though the announcers were TELLING YOU. as i said, this isnt the pantywaist formula one racing, this is real mans racing. i have been racing since the late 70s in both drag and circle track racing. i understand racing probably FAR better than you do.

as for insulting people, grow a thicker skin, or go find a safe place and play with your crayons.
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Old 10-04-2017, 08:21 AM
 
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Now, different situation here because Newman was fighting to stay on the lead lap.


BUT.. Lap down cars SHOULD move over, unless they are racing for position with another car. If the situation were that Newman was a lap down at the time, and he took Chase's line.. Then while he isn't required to move over, I can certainly say that Chase would remember it the next time he was a lap down and Newman was trying to get by him.


So.. In that situation, which is not THIS situation.. It would have behooved Newman to move out of the way.



Back in the day.. People like Earnhardt would enforce the "Gentleman's Agreement"
With 10 laps to go Newman needs to move out of the leaders line. He's racing no one on the track at that moment, he's racing a potential which didn't happen and may or may not have made a difference. It's a gentleman's agreement and once again Newman failed it. Chase should have moved the 31 and hopefully next time he does.
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Old 10-04-2017, 12:52 PM
 
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With 10 laps to go Newman needs to move out of the leaders line. He's racing no one on the track at that moment, he's racing a potential which didn't happen and may or may not have made a difference. It's a gentleman's agreement and once again Newman failed it. Chase should have moved the 31 and hopefully next time he does.
once again i will remind you that slower drivers are told in the drivers meetings that they are to hold their line when the leader comes up on them, and let the leader choose where to pass them.

something else, chase elliot said in interviews that he should have passed newman, he admitted he did it to himself and it wasnt newmans fault.

so please stop with the bull crap of newman having to move over and let someone go, its rubbish and you know it. there is no "gentlemans" agreement regarding this.

and yes newman was racing to stay on the lead lap, since that was his best chance at gaining the necessary two points to make the next round.

perhaps you need to properly study up on the entire situation, not what you want to focus on.
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Old 10-04-2017, 06:48 PM
 
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so please stop with the bull crap of newman having to move over and let someone go, its rubbish and you know it. there is no "gentlemans" agreement regarding this.
Let's be crystal clear. Are you talking about drivers a lap down or someone fighting to stay on the lead lap?
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Old 10-04-2017, 08:17 PM
 
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Let's be crystal clear. Are you talking about drivers a lap down or someone fighting to stay on the lead lap?
does it matter? as i said in the drivers meeting, the drivers are told that when teh leaders come up behind them, and the leaders are faster, they are to hold their line and let the leaders chose where to go to pass the slower cars. in the case of newman though he was fighting to stay on the lead lap.

besides, even lap down cars have things to race for. so if the leader comes up on two lap down cars, and the two cars are battling for position, then why should they both just let the leader go? why cant they battle for position? it is part of racing that the leader has to deal with lapped traffic.
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Old 10-05-2017, 10:41 AM
 
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does it matter? as i said in the drivers meeting, the drivers are told that when teh leaders come up behind them, and the leaders are faster, they are to hold their line and let the leaders chose where to go to pass the slower cars. in the case of newman though he was fighting to stay on the lead lap.

besides, even lap down cars have things to race for. so if the leader comes up on two lap down cars, and the two cars are battling for position, then why should they both just let the leader go? why cant they battle for position? it is part of racing that the leader has to deal with lapped traffic.

Well, yes, it does. It's less of a problem now with so many tracks having graduated banking.. But, a few years back, with places like Bristol, where there was basically one line, saying to allow the driver behind to choose how to pass is irrelevant, the driver behind wants to pass in the lane that the lap down car is in, because there is one groove.


I would take Mark Martin as an authority on it. What does he have to say?


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As much as they want to return to the front of the field, however, drivers who are a lap or more down usually still follow a "gentleman's agreement" allowing a driver still in contention for the victory the right of way.
https://books.google.com/books?id=VagwuPZySU4C&pg=PT146&lpg=PT146&dq=nascar +for+dummies+gentleman%27s+agreement&source=bl&ots =CQQvVhSQwb&sig=49VEv5bir-7vX9cskmln9cNlBWU&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjatPWE7dnW AhXC4yYKHYklD_AQ6AEILzAB#v=onepage&q=nascar%20for% 20dummies%20gentleman's%20agreement&f=false


What are the rules? I'll buy your rule that NASCAR says for lap cars to hold their line. That means NASCAR won't penalize them for maintaining their line. The drivers have their own rule that supersedes NASCAR's rule, and that is, if you're a lap down, get out of the way, let the lead lap driver have their preferred line and do not hold them up. This does NOT apply to cars fighting to stay on the lead lap, only to cars laps down. Drivers rules can be more strict than NASCARs.. But not less. Driver's couldn't say "Well, it's OK to pass below the yellow line"..



If two lap down cars are battling for position.. Fair game. They are fighting for their position. Leader has to deal with that. But a car that is in 21st place, 2 laps down, running by themselves, leaders coming up behind them.. Get out of the preferred lane and let the leaders pass without holding them up.
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Old 10-07-2017, 11:37 AM
 
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Default 10/8/17 Race Time Changed for Charlotte

Bank of America 500 Green Flag moved up to 1:10 p.m. ET on Sunday
The opening race of the Round of 12 will still air on NBC.

Reason is weather.
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