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Old 10-25-2017, 03:21 PM
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Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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Wrong thread, I think. There are a couple NASCAR-specific threads in this forum.
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Old 10-25-2017, 03:41 PM
 
Location: Raleigh
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Wrong thread, I think. There are a couple NASCAR-specific threads in this forum.
You talking to me or Searchers?
I was making that post as historical evidence of why allowing engine and transmission changes without penalties is a bad idea. Other racing groups allowed it and the cost was very high.
I can imagine a novel approach to an end of season tie might be to change the entire car mechanicals, take the penalty and start in 20th place, but have such an awesome, fresh car, that the driver could finish in First Place and beat the Second Place car by one point to win the Driver Championship.
It would be better that wrecking the guy to take him out of the running, eh?
"It could happen . . ."

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Old 10-25-2017, 04:01 PM
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I was referring to the post about Rick Childress (sp?) Racing, which was entirely about NASCAR.

F1 used to have completely open rules about engine swaps and changes as well.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:09 AM
 
Location: Charlotte, NC
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I agree that the restriction in the number of components is necessary, but I'd much rather see the team lose points than the driver get grid penalties.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:18 AM
 
Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Lots of talk (from Matchett and Hobbes) about how terrible the grid penalties for various engine/power/transmission replacements, but I am not sure what the choice is. The high dollar teams will simply have a new power unit/transmission each race. The lower teams (ie: most of the field) just can't afford that. If the idea is, indeed, to keep costs down, then the penalties have to stay as they are.
IMO part of the solution would be eliminating the KERS system, I believe it would allow smaller $$$ teams to be more competitive and it seems foolish to me to attempt portraying a sport that runs wind tunnels 24/7 and flies its circus all around the world.
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Old 10-26-2017, 08:22 AM
 
Location: Raleigh
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IMO part of the solution would be eliminating the KERS system<>
Sadly I think the trend is more the other way. In a few years they will have eliminated the IC motor and F1 will be all electric, in the name of pollution control and global warming.
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Old 10-26-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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Yes, the KERS thing always seemed a bit silly considering the footprint of F1 around the globe. I suppose it's better than nothing but not by much. Anyone catch the HBO Real Sports story about Hamilton's brother? That was good and interesting.
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Old 10-27-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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Sadly I think the trend is more the other way. In a few years they will have eliminated the IC motor and F1 will be all electric, in the name of pollution control and global warming.

I just look at the Lotus 79 Andretti won the 1978 title in and miss the days when folks with little more than a well equipped home workshop could buy a Cosworth DFV, a Hewland gearbox, have specialty castings done by what at least then was a solid cottage industry in England, and build a competitive car. Since it bans things like ABS and traction control, common on many road vehicles, F1 can't claim to be the leading edge so why not simplify a bit? Lotus won that title on Chapman's idea of using the air flowing under the car rather than trying to block it, not with cubic $$$. It's fun watching tams like Force India run with some of the bigger dogs and I'd like to see more of it.
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Old 10-27-2017, 08:45 AM
 
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I just look at the Lotus 79 Andretti won the 1978 title in and miss the days when folks with little more than a well equipped home workshop could <race in Formula One>
Yes, but how can we undo 40 years of progress? It would be like racing SCCA Formula Fords for the world championship.
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Old 10-27-2017, 02:53 PM
 
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Yes, but how can we undo 40 years of progress? It would be like racing SCCA Formula Fords for the world championship.

By regulation, there are already a number of things on road cars banned in F1. I know we'll likely never return to aluminum monocoques that can be constructed with minimal equipment compared to carbon fiber chassis but there are ways to lower development costs. Do we really need 4-5 wing elements stacked on each other, remade for different circuits? Personally, I'd like to see F1's new owners spend more time on attracting new constructors than celebrities and more hoopla during race weekends.
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