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Old 03-03-2017, 03:51 PM
 
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They're unapproved until they're approved. at least in today's rulebook they are. There was a huge to-do about this a few years back where several teams got hit with fines and suspensions (I think.. I know there were fines) because.. I think Dodge sent out the new nose to the teams before it had been approved.
yeah nascar has written a lot of rule like that over the years, kind of takes the creativity out of building race cars.

and most of the rules they wrote are designed to prevent the very rich teams from having a huge advantage over everyone else.
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:29 PM
 
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in other words, you are the type that if there is no rule about something, its illegal?
No, it's the use of the words. I use it more as a term of endearment than accusation.
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Old 03-04-2017, 12:31 PM
 
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yeah nascar has written a lot of rule like that over the years, kind of takes the creativity out of building race cars.

and most of the rules they wrote are designed to prevent the very rich teams from having a huge advantage over everyone else.
Doesn't NASCAR have that one vague rule that is often used to leverage the grey area? Something to the effect of 'detrimental to the spirit of competition'?
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Old 03-04-2017, 08:28 PM
 
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Doesn't NASCAR have that one vague rule that is often used to leverage the grey area? Something to the effect of 'detrimental to the spirit of competition'?
Section 12-1 "Actions detrimental to stock car racing"

Anything we don't like that doesn't violate any other rule, violates this rule.

And.. as to rbohm's point.. Boy.. I don't know.. half of me likes the 'gray area' being taken away.. The other half agrees with you.

I'll point again to Gordon's 97 and 98 seasons.. The 98 season just sucked. Or, how about Earnhardt's '94 season? Which isn't overly fair, because Irvan was neck and neck with him until the Michigan accident. But, at the end of the season, Earnhardt won by 400 points.

Without the 'common templates'.. I highly doubt that Ragan would have won at Talladega a few years ago. Or Buscher at Pocono last year.

There's good and bad to it.
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Old 03-04-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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Section 12-1 "Actions detrimental to stock car racing"

Anything we don't like that doesn't violate any other rule, violates this rule.

And.. as to rbohm's point.. Boy.. I don't know.. half of me likes the 'gray area' being taken away.. The other half agrees with you.

I'll point again to Gordon's 97 and 98 seasons.. The 98 season just sucked. Or, how about Earnhardt's '94 season? Which isn't overly fair, because Irvan was neck and neck with him until the Michigan accident. But, at the end of the season, Earnhardt won by 400 points.

Without the 'common templates'.. I highly doubt that Ragan would have won at Talladega a few years ago. Or Buscher at Pocono last year.

There's good and bad to it.
My only issue with the grey area is when NASCAR favors a high profile team by "warning" them they're pushing the limit yet penalizes a second tier team without warning.
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Old 03-05-2017, 12:46 PM
 
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My only issue with the grey area is when NASCAR favors a high profile team by "warning" them they're pushing the limit yet penalizes a second tier team without warning.
and that is the biggest problem with enforcing the rules, the lack of consistency.
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Old 03-05-2017, 07:16 PM
 
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and that is the biggest problem with enforcing the rules, the lack of consistency.
Well... Let's look at the flip side.. Carl Long

Does anyone think the death penalty he received was particularly fair? But.. You have to admit.. He got exactly what a big-name team would have gotten.

Guess I should remind, since it's been so long ago.. He had an oversized engine (by .17 cc) at the All Star Race in 2009. 200 points and a $200k fine.

The appeals board reduced the 12 race suspension to 4 and allowed him to work in the Nationwide or Truck garage.. But he still can't work in the Cup garage.

Frankly.. I always thought the fine should have gone to Ernie Elliott, since that's who supplied the engine.
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Old 03-05-2017, 09:57 PM
 
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Well... Let's look at the flip side.. Carl Long

Does anyone think the death penalty he received was particularly fair? But.. You have to admit.. He got exactly what a big-name team would have gotten.

Guess I should remind, since it's been so long ago.. He had an oversized engine (by .17 cc) at the All Star Race in 2009. 200 points and a $200k fine.

The appeals board reduced the 12 race suspension to 4 and allowed him to work in the Nationwide or Truck garage.. But he still can't work in the Cup garage.

Frankly.. I always thought the fine should have gone to Ernie Elliott, since that's who supplied the engine.
True, he leased the entire car. I had read that for him to race again he would have to pay the fine which isn't going to happen because he can't afford it. I do wonder if it would have played out differently for a top tier team.
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