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Old 05-15-2018, 08:26 PM
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Did NASCAR ever really chase "glitz and glamor"? Somehow that has never been my impression of NASCAR.

The stated format might work if F1's primary monetary draw is the at-event crowd. I doubt that, very much. I think it's still the TV rights, which, other than in the US, have done fairly well over the years.

This is for 2017:
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The top four markets - Germany, Brazil, Italy and the UK, ranked by absolute figures - all registered positive growth. The strongest was Italy (+19.1%), followed by Brazil (+13.4%), the UK (+3.9%) and Germany (+0.9%). Other significant increases were registered in China (+42.2%), Switzerland (+14.3%) and Denmark (+14.1%).
Further down they mention that Brazil is the leading TV market, with 76 million viewers.

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The TV cumulative audience - i.e. the aggregate of the average audience of all the F1 programs broadcast across the year - in the top 20 markets* (based on ranking of TV audience) stood at 1.4 billion, which represents an increase of 6.2% compared to 2016.
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...s-in-2017.html
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Old 05-16-2018, 12:58 AM
 
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formula1.com is Formula 1's official Web Site. Many people are wondering how they came up figures such as 1.4 billion.

The F1 spokesman, I can't remember his name, has been saying there are 500 million F1 fans worldwide. That's about 1/15 of the world's population....men women and children....and the more than 3 billion people who are living in abject poverty and have probably never heard of F1.

The actual TV viewership of the 2017 races, the figure the teams use to acquire sponsors, was 350 million, or about 18 million per race. Because it is now on pay TV in Italy, viewership of the races is down.

Not every fan can catch every race on TV, so 18 million probably means there are 30-40 million F1 fans worldwide.
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Old 05-16-2018, 03:31 AM
 
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Did NASCAR ever really chase "glitz and glamor"? Somehow that has never been my impression of NASCAR.
What's glitz in NASCAR is different than what's glitz in F! but to me, it seems in both cases they seem willing to abandon their fan base to attract new fans. Of course there's nothing wrong with attempting to expand the fan base, abandoning it's a different thing. Country concerts before the race and parading celebrities trough the paddock/pressbox is all well and good but not when racing takes a backseat to it. To me, NASCAR was far more interesting when the cars were actually production based rather than the spec cars we have today that need decals to tell the fans what they allegedly are. I lost a lot of interest when plate racing took over the big tracks, I hate how complacent people have become happily awaiting the inevitable 'Big One', IMO there are better ways to limit speeds that would still allow racing rather than the train wreck looking for a place to happen we have now. The straw that drove me away from NASCAR was taking points Junior earned on the racetrack away from him for something he said in the winner's circle. At that point they admitted they were no longer about racing but about entertainment, wrestling on wheels.
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Old 05-16-2018, 08:55 AM
 
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Did NASCAR ever really chase "glitz and glamor"? Somehow that has never been my impression of NASCAR.

The stated format might work if F1's primary monetary draw is the at-event crowd. I doubt that, very much. I think it's still the TV rights, which, other than in the US, have done fairly well over the years.

This is for 2017:
Further down they mention that Brazil is the leading TV market, with 76 million viewers.

Also:
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/h...s-in-2017.html

I think it's that nascar became hollywood 'chic' when Tom Cruise and his ilk showed up and pretended to like racing to sell a movie - more than nascar chasing glitz and glamor. However after that nascar certainly did start chasing celebs. As with F1 it's embarrassingly bad how much they don't like/care about racing.

I agree that the model is TV rights. That's the cash cow of F1. At-event cannot even touch that money-wise.
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Old 05-16-2018, 05:21 PM
 
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I think it's that nascar became hollywood 'chic' when Tom Cruise and his ilk showed up and pretended to like racing to sell a movie - more than nascar chasing glitz and glamor. However after that nascar certainly did start chasing celebs. As with F1 it's embarrassingly bad how much they don't like/care about racing.

I agree that the model is TV rights. That's the cash cow of F1. At-event cannot even touch that money-wise.

I think that about sums it up.
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Old 05-18-2018, 12:24 PM
 
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Touching


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUdrzWcguU

I bet crooked Bernie hates stuff like this
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Old 05-18-2018, 04:22 PM
 
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaUdrzWcguU

I bet crooked Bernie hates stuff like this

Why?
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Old 05-22-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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Just a reminder for F1 fans, Monaco's first practice day is Thursday, not the usual Friday.
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Old 05-27-2018, 10:21 AM
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Woke up, made myself a Mimosa, settled in to watch Monaco - and it is tape-delayed until 5pm on ESPN.
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Old 05-27-2018, 02:26 PM
 
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It was live here. Strange.
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