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Old 06-09-2019, 08:01 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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It was a racing incident, nothing more. IMO the stewards screwed the pooch.
Agreed. That was nothing short of a THEFT. Vettel won that race. No harm was done to Hamilton's car, and if Vettel hadn't caught the back end, both cars would have been collected.

That ruling by the stewards was ABSOLUTE GARBAGE!!!

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Old 06-10-2019, 12:01 AM
 
Location: Baker City, Oregon
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With apologies to Mr. Bumble, "If the rule book supposes that, …....the rule book is an ass — an idiot.”
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Old 06-10-2019, 03:23 AM
 
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Heres the incident,judge for yourself, looked to me like Vettel left the track and came back on in a very dangerous manner =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Fk8pywVGg
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Old 06-10-2019, 07:23 AM
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Location: By the sea, by the sea, by the beautiful sea
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Heres the incident,judge for yourself, looked to me like Vettel left the track and came back on in a very dangerous manner =

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x4Fk8pywVGg


The car had a little case of snap oversteer and Vettel had his handles full trying not to crash is the way I see it, it certainly doesn't look like he "left the track" intentionally.

At least 3 former F1 champs, Andretti, Button, and Mansell have said the stewards' decision was just wrong.
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Old 06-10-2019, 08:43 AM
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Location: The beautiful Rogue Valley, Oregon
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I suspect the steward's ruling was because Hamilton had to brake hard to avoid being forced into the wall. The thing in Vettel's favor is that he was ahead at the begining of the incident and didn't actually gain a position by leaving the track and coming back on, but the thing against Vettel is that he was clearly not in control of the car and Hamilton was entirely the one who had to take action to avoid a crash.

Although I am not particularly a Ferrari fan - and less and less of a Vettel fan since he's been driving for Ferrari - I am not sure that was worth a 5 second penalty.
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Old 06-10-2019, 12:07 PM
 
Location: Murrica
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It's nanny state racing. It is becoming follow the leader as any bold moves with get you a time penalty.
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Old 06-10-2019, 05:55 PM
 
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The car had a little case of snap oversteer and Vettel had his handles full trying not to crash is the way I see it, it certainly doesn't look like he "left the track" intentionally.
It's impossible for us to tell how much of Vettel's steering input was solely to maintain control and rejoin the track and how much was intended to block Hamilton. The car-control skill of these drivers is so far beyond what we are capable of, or can even comprehend, we can't tell what was a correction and what was a move. IMO, it's possible that the big turn of the wheel to the right was intended solely to block, although it is possible it was just to avoid the wall. As I said we don't know. But the stewards, having more experience and possibly even being very successful drivers themselves, (Emanuelle Pirro was very successful in sports cars, I think) are more capable of judging steering inputs and what was necessary and what was extreme.

Here are the facts as I see them:
1. Vettel made a mistake and left the track.
2. He did not lift.
3. He rejoined the track and impeded another driver.
4. He was penalized for this.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:29 PM
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The stewards have access to telemetry, too.
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Old 06-10-2019, 06:46 PM
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Location: Santa Rosa CA
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Here are the facts as I see them:
1. Vettel made a mistake and left the track.
2. He did not lift.
3. He rejoined the track and impeded another driver.
4. He was penalized for this.
Agree 100%. After watching the incident and listening to the announcers and former drivers I think Rosberg has the most convincing argument. Heís raced with both of them and makes a solid point; if you donít like the rule then change it.
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Old 06-10-2019, 10:13 PM
 
Location: West Los Angeles
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Now I'm just a canyon carving good-old-boy without any formal driving school training, but from the in-car view it looks to me like Vettel did a textbook countersteer to catch the back end. If he hadn't steered to the outside, the car would have gotten sideways and both cars, from Vettel's perception since he couldn't be exactly sure how close Hamilton was throughout the whole thing, could have gotten tangled up. I think the stewards should have taken that into account and just let it go as just another racing deal, not irresponsibility or malicious intent on Vettel's part.
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