Toyota NASCAR Engines (driver, coupe, purchase, Dodge)

[Don57]

Originally Posted by mm34b

My favorite story on racing creativity was the one about Smokey Yunick's hand-built Daytona car driven by Cotton Owens. Allegedly, the car was 7/8 normal size.

Didn't Jeff Gordon win the 1997 "The Winston" all-star race with a car that was so questionable that NASCAR told Hendrick Motorsports to never return it to another NASCAR track again?

Smokey Yunick was very clever in cheating. Aside from altering the chasis/wheelbase, he also added hidden fuel containers in the car.

[studedude]

Originally Posted by Don57

Smokey Yunick was very clever in cheating. Aside from altering the chasis/wheelbase, he also added hidden fuel containers in the car.

I don't believe it was hidden containers. There was no rule on the size or length of fuel line. He had BIG fuel line run all over the car. It's not cheating if there is no rule.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by studedude

I don't believe it was hidden containers. There was no rule on the size or length of fuel line. He had BIG fuel line run all over the car. It's not cheating if there is no rule.

Or you don't get caught

[studedude]

Originally Posted by burdell

Or you don't get caught

I would disagree with that. If the rule book says you can't do it and you do you are cheating even if you don't get caught. Until they pass the rule anything is legal.

[Drover]

Originally Posted by burdell

I believe that was the same Chevelle that Curtis Turner flipped completely out of Atlanta? Speedway.

Smokey was pretty creative, fuel cell size was limited but fuel line wasn't, they'd snake about 50' of 1" ID line thru the car that might hold enough fuel to get them just a little farther down the line

"A little further down the line"? Rumor has it that fuel line held at least an extra 6 gallons of fuel...

[emanon]

Don't you guys remember Jack Roush telling anybody who would listen that the Japanese Automakers will spend as much money as necessary to win at Auto racing. They did it in the open wheel series and they are doing it in Nascar.
The Ford, GM and Chrysler engines are all based on production engines. The Toyota engines are also based on the some production engines, they just incorporated the best of each to make their own. The Japanese have been reverse engineering American products for years the only difference is they take out the flaws.

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[hunterdog57]

It has been this way forever. When the Daytonas/Superbirds were dominant, they restricted the Hemi in those bodies to 366c.i. to "equalize" the field.
Finding loop holes in the rules is part of the competition. Back in the 70's they raced the BMW 2002, Alfas, AMC Hornets & Gremlins in IMSA. The AMC's could not run the 258 6 cylinder because they were so much faster than the 4 cylinder cars. They had to run the 232. When the Pacer came out, it was not added into that rule. For a while the AMC boys cleaned house with that body/engine combo. Finally IMSA added it to the rule and they had to downsize the engines.
Now NASCAR dictates which diff ratio, shocks, and springs can be used at which track.
Might as well just have 1 body/engine combo for everyone. And if you win too much, we give your fast car to the slowest guy.
They need to get rid of the restrictor plates, have a smaller displacement engine or 9:1 motors and let them race.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by studedude

I would disagree with that. If the rule book says you can't do it and you do you are cheating even if you don't get caught. Until they pass the rule anything is legal.

From what I've read that wasn't the general attitude in the " good ol' days" of NASCAR. Seemed to be a common tactic to put a few obvious no-nos on the car to occupy the tech inspectors while the more cleverly hidden stuff slipped by. Of course they'd say they weren't cheating, just a little different interpretaton of the rules.

[burdell]

Originally Posted by emanon

Don't you guys remember Jack Roush telling anybody who would listen that the Japanese Automakers will spend as much money as necessary to win at Auto racing. They did it in the open wheel series and they are doing it in Nascar.
The Ford, GM and Chrysler engines are all based on production engines. The Toyota engines are also based on the some production engines, they just incorporated the best of each to make their own. The Japanese have been reverse engineering American products for years the only difference is they take out the flaws.

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NASCAR stopped being production based a long time ago, when's the last time (or first) anyone saw a 2-door, rear wheel drive Taurus with a carbureted V-8 running around town?

$$$ alone won't win races, Toyota's record in F1 proves that.

[cynwldkat]

Originally Posted by burdell

From what I've read that wasn't the general attitude in the " good ol' days" of NASCAR. Seemed to be a common tactic to put a few obvious no-nos on the car to occupy the tech inspectors while the more cleverly hidden stuff slipped by. Of course they'd say they weren't cheating, just a little different interpretaton of the rules.

Then the next words out of NASCARS mouth were "it's a gray area"! Ha!