Most OVER RATED NASCAR DRIVER ??? (drivers, judge, running, work)

[CHS89]

Originally Posted by Kalbo

As all have said Jr is number one. I say Harvick is # 2.

I'm a 29 fan, but I have to agree with you on this one. He should have been among the leaders all day yesterday.

[xlabel]

Kyle Busch hands down. Nascar and various announcers in the booth keep trying to force feed this fraud down our throats and some are gullible enough to take it all in. Biffle who already has Truck and Nationwide Championships and Carl Edwards who has actually won more races than Kryle in just a few more starts, are more impressive than the playpen dweller.

Kryle is so sorry that of the 30 chase races he has run, he has won zero. At least Jr won 2 races while in the chase. Mark Martin this year is just one win shy of tying the win total Kryle took four years to do in the #5 car.

Kyle is getting exposed now though for the fraud he is....he got beat 2 weekends ago by a 19 and 20 year old in CW series and N-wide and he's good lately for maybe a top 25 in Cup.

[Patsfan20]

Originally Posted by xlabel

Kyle Busch hands down. Nascar and various announcers in the booth keep trying to force feed this fraud down our throats and some are gullible enough to take it all in. Biffle who already has Truck and Nationwide Championships and Carl Edwards who has actually won more races than Kryle in just a few more starts, are more impressive than the playpen dweller.

Kryle is so sorry that of the 30 chase races he has run, he has won zero. At least Jr won 2 races while in the chase. Mark Martin this year is just one win shy of tying the win total Kryle took four years to do in the #5 car.

Kyle is getting exposed now though for the fraud he is....he got beat 2 weekends ago by a 19 and 20 year old in CW series and N-wide and he's good lately for maybe a top 25 in Cup.

Go Jr.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pokrplr]

Dont sweat it Pats, someone didn't read the heading of this post correctly.

Over88ted.com - Dale Earnhardt Jr Choke Report

[TarheelStateNative]

[quote=pokrplr;9426534]Dont sweat it Pats, someone didn't read the heading of this post correctly.

Over88ted.com - Dale Earnhardt Jr Choke Report[/quote

Isnt there a choke report for kyle busch? you know him blowing the 80 point lead he had in the chase last year. Since you brought up the past and all.

[pokrplr]

[quote=TarheelStateNative;9427936]

Originally Posted by pokrplr

Dont sweat it Pats, someone didn't read the heading of this post correctly.

Over88ted.com - Dale Earnhardt Jr Choke Report[/quote

Isnt there a choke report for kyle busch? you know him blowing the 80 point lead he had in the chase last year. Since you brought up the past and all.

Ummm Jr is not the PAST, its the PRESENT . And let's be real, if you bomb out of 1 race in the chase your chances are all but destroyed. Starting the chase with a 42nd place finish was a disaster. Its hard to overcome that, no matter who you are. At least we'll get a 2nd chance @ the Chase this year, unlike.........the TSHIRT King

Definition of choke: Carolina Panthers getting waxed by the Arizona Cardinals in last years NFC Playoffs.

[TarheelStateNative]

[quote=pokrplr;9429765]

Originally Posted by TarheelStateNative

Ummm Jr is not the PAST, its the PRESENT . And let's be real, if you bomb out of 1 race in the chase your chances are all but destroyed. Starting the chase with a 42nd place finish was a disaster. Its hard to overcome that, no matter who you are. At least we'll get a 2nd chance @ the Chase this year, unlike.........the TSHIRT King

Definition of choke: Carolina Panthers getting waxed by the Arizona Cardinals in last years NFC Playoffs.

But if KB is so great he should find his way out of that hole correct?

and the panthers always choke whats your point?

[wGoshen]

Kyle Busch, by far. Nobody can take a winning car and finish 20th with it like Kyle can! The dude should be winning every race and leading the points, but nope! Shows his true talent every time he wrecks a win-worthy race car and calls his team out because "THEY SUCK!!" And don't even get me started on his class. Simply put, he doesn't have any.

People who hate Kyle Busch aren't just 88 fans, although they have a damn good reason to hate him. People hate Kyle Busch because he is an arrogant little punk who thinks that his stuff don't stink. He bashes every driver that appears to be a threat to him in any way, smashes trophies, and blatantly and repeatedly insults his crew, the same crew who builds cars capable of leading every lap of every race.

It's sad because people want to like Kyle, but the way he acts just makes everyone hate him. He has a load of talent. I was a Kyle Busch fan back in his ASA and ARCA days, until he showed his true colors. I am thankful for my decision everytime Kyle makes a fool out of himself, even if he wins a bunch of races.

Also, I find it funny that everybody says that Jr is overrated. The years that he had a top 5 car, he finished the season in the Top 5. The seasons where his crew was changed and his engines grenaded, it showed. Plus you forget to mention the fact that Jr was 2nd in points the whole regular season last year until Darian Gruff left and Tony Jr worked up his infamous Voo Doo. So what if he doesn't win every race? Mark Martin has never been a dominating driver, yet he is still a talented and highly liked driver.

If he had no talent, he would have never had a career in NASCAR to start with. He would have been an engineer. The Kyle Busch fans fail to realize that Dale Sr. didn't baby Jr through his career. Jr had to buy and maintain his own cars throughout his short track career with little to no help from Sr. He was sent to military school, too. Heck, his first NASCAR races weren't even in Dale Sr.'s cars, they were in Ed Whitaker's cars, which were not the cream of the crop. Yet he did good in those mediocre cars and was promoted to a R&D car for DEI. He did great in those races and was promoted to the 3 after Steve Park went to cup. That's where he showed his talent by winning two championships in two years.

Lately, Jr's cars have been 20th place cars, due to his old "crew chief" building them "totally wrong", as Lance McGrew and Brian Whitesell said. He built cars with swapped sway bars and faulty shocks and springs. He was able to take setups from Jimmie Johnson and botch them up horribly over the race weekend to where they weren't even driveable. Did you see the 88 at Charlotte? Any less of a driver would have walled it in 15 laps. I know Kyle Busch would have.

Look for Jr to be doing a lot better when the cars are being built by a competent engineer instead of a person who shouldn't be trusted to work on vacuum cleaners

[Patsfan20]

Originally Posted by wGoshen

Kyle Busch, by far. Nobody can take a winning car and finish 20th with it like Kyle can! The dude should be winning every race and leading the points, but nope! Shows his true talent every time he wrecks a win-worthy race car and calls his team out because "THEY SUCK!!" And don't even get me started on his class. Simply put, he doesn't have any.

People who hate Kyle Busch aren't just 88 fans, although they have a damn good reason to hate him. People hate Kyle Busch because he is an arrogant little punk who thinks that his stuff don't stink. He bashes every driver that appears to be a threat to him in any way, smashes trophies, and blatantly and repeatedly insults his crew, the same crew who builds cars capable of leading every lap of every race.

It's sad because people want to like Kyle, but the way he acts just makes everyone hate him. He has a load of talent. I was a Kyle Busch fan back in his ASA and ARCA days, until he showed his true colors. I am thankful for my decision everytime Kyle makes a fool out of himself, even if he wins a bunch of races.

Also, I find it funny that everybody says that Jr is overrated. The years that he had a top 5 car, he finished the season in the Top 5. The seasons where his crew was changed and his engines grenaded, it showed. Plus you forget to mention the fact that Jr was 2nd in points the whole regular season last year until Darian Gruff left and Tony Jr worked up his infamous Voo Doo. So what if he doesn't win every race? Mark Martin has never been a dominating driver, yet he is still a talented and highly liked driver.

If he had no talent, he would have never had a career in NASCAR to start with. He would have been an engineer. The Kyle Busch fans fail to realize that Dale Sr. didn't baby Jr through his career. Jr had to buy and maintain his own cars throughout his short track career with little to no help from Sr. He was sent to military school, too. Heck, his first NASCAR races weren't even in Dale Sr.'s cars, they were in Ed Whitaker's cars, which were not the cream of the crop. Yet he did good in those mediocre cars and was promoted to a R&D car for DEI. He did great in those races and was promoted to the 3 after Steve Park went to cup. That's where he showed his talent by winning two championships in two years.

Lately, Jr's cars have been 20th place cars, due to his old "crew chief" building them "totally wrong", as Lance McGrew and Brian Whitesell said. He built cars with swapped sway bars and faulty shocks and springs. He was able to take setups from Jimmie Johnson and botch them up horribly over the race weekend to where they weren't even driveable. Did you see the 88 at Charlotte? Any less of a driver would have walled it in 15 laps. I know Kyle Busch would have.

Look for Jr to be doing a lot better when the cars are being built by a competent engineer instead of a person who shouldn't be trusted to work on vacuum cleaners

I guess we'll just have to wait and see on that one. You found a lot of keys to type that up, unlike Jr. finding his pit, time and time again.

[wGoshen]

lol I'm kinda glad that the only thing Kyle's fans have against Jr is him missing his pits and not running good. Much less than what everyone else has against Kyle, huh?